zwartekat
Striker
You're a British citizen.
Solider F
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AT least the British managed to murder 14 Irish civilians at bloody Sunday.
jubblies
Striker
I think my post recognised that........
UDA + Bloody Sunday
Bloody Friday + Aldershot
I ensured a 2-2 draw
CatRyan
Striker
jubblies
Striker
So we're pretty much classing the British Army as Terrorists now then?
No
CatRyan
Striker
What was that a league table of?
jubblies
Striker
Extraordinary Gentleman.
No point in this.
You come from a side I will always struggle to understand (I was born a Protestant in Belfast in 1975 and joined The Parachute Regiment), and I have little interest in engaging in a debate with someone who is as stubborn in their beliefs as I am.
I'm 44 and happy to be away from that shit.
I was brought up in a toxic environment and as I've come to realise, this type of conversation does nothing to improve it.
The GFA was drawn up to enable both sides to move on.....The British Army should be included.
That's my input and with that, I'm bugging out
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CatRyan
Striker
Extraordinary Gentleman.
No point in this.
You come from a side I will always struggle to understand (I was born a Protestant in Belfast in 1975 and joined The Parachute Regiment), and I have little interest in engaging in a debate with someone who is as stubborn in their beliefs as I am.
I'm 44 and happy to be away from that shit.
I was brought up in a toxic environment and as I've come to realise, this type of conversation does nothing to improve it.
The GFA was drawn up to enable both sides to move on.....The British Army should be included.
That's my input and with that, I'm bugging out
So a league table of what then?
Seemed that you were classing the British Army as either Terrorists or murderers
It was a simple query not an invitation for your cv.
CatRyan
Striker
If Darwin read this thread I’m sure he would admit he was wrong.
The great potato blight.
Country United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Location Ireland
Period 1845–1849
Total deaths 1 million
Observations Policy failure, potato blight
Theory Corn Laws, Poor Law Amendment Act, Gregory clause, Encumbered Estates' Court, Crime and Outrage Bill (Ireland) 1847, Young Irelander Rebellion of 1848, Three Fs
Relief see below
Impact on demographics Population fell by 20–25% due to mortality and emigration
Consequences Permanent change in the country's demographic, political and cultural landscape
Billy2Sheds
Winger
You could argue that for the Irish diaspora as a whole (myself included) the consequences have been overwhelmingly positive
CatRyan
Striker
That's what St Patrick's day is all about. Turning one of the most appalling genocides in British and Irish history into one of the greatest celebrations.
I am only trying to correct basic errors on this thread.
There was no famine. The Irish language didn't just die out. There was a prolonged and tyrannical mechanism in place to destroy Ireland.
That is why there are groups in Ireland that still feel strongly about it.
the boot
Winger
The corn laws were in place previous to the famine. Blight came and caused the famine and gradually the government lowered the tariffs to get food in. Eventually abolishing it which was the kick start of free trade.
The British never started the famine.
Africans die everyday due to starvation and lack of clean water. We could stop it no doubt but no one blames us.
They don’t just feel strongly about though.
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CatRyan
Striker
Only potato crops failed.
There was food a plenty in Ireland. They weren't allowed to have it.
Or go to school hence hedge schools.
Or speak in their own language.
Or vote.
Or do anything except die of starvation. Get murdered or fuck off.
look out piano
Striker
You murder someone and you should be made to pay the piper, simple as that (and that should go for everyone tbh, regardless of the situation).
Billy2Sheds
Winger
Fair play i was born in England but if Irish Catholic descent though now lapsed but still identify with certain cultural elements. Hate the politics though I have family who are members of armed forces plus family who've lived in the north through the bad days.
These arguments in my humble opinion will rage on - a peace and reconciliation process like happened in post apartheid SA has been attempted.. Mostly the agitation outside inner city Belfast and Derry is confined to internet warriors
mcq10
Striker
St Patrick’s day has fuck all to do with the famine.
You finally got round to using the word genocide I see despite being proved wrong repeatedly throughout this thread.
I’m still waiting for your apology for destroying ireland seeing as you are born and raised in England.
Horatio Pugwash
Striker
Cos it's not as if the ira would use underhand tactics like waving a white flag to kill a British soldier is it!
FFS!!
CatRyan
Striker
Did they ever do that?
St Patrick's Day was first made a big celebration in America by the Irish forced to leave their country during the oppressive rule of Britain.
I was born an Irish citizen.
I am not asking for an apology, just that you accept what happened.
The horrors that were perpetrated.
The injustices.
The murders.
The cruelty.
It seems there is a complete rejection of what is extremely well known and accepted as the facts of what happened.
I find it endlessly curious.
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