So was it a foul?


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Not really.

A ref should be watching a players intention. Did the WBA make a genuine attempt to win the ball? No, the ball was a foot over his head, he's not watching the flight of the ball, he's simply playing the keeper.

There is plenty of our own fans who have stated at first look they thought not a foul and some still don't after watching replays.

I happen to think a foul,but also think with one look and spilt second to decide understandable to get wrong.

Then again I think most decisions with one look and spilt second to decide are never as easy as people make out,that is generally my opinion on most instances.

Haha sorry about that.
It would have been a good goal in the 1950's

No bother mate
 
Posted this on another thread:

If you make a challenge for the ball but don't get the ball but impede the other player it's a foul. The boy wasn't even looking at the ball, his sole intention was to play the man.

It was another awful refereeing decision we've been on the wrong end of.

While I agree, I can see how it falls into the massive grey area that referees love to hide in - player backing in or standing his ground - Pants coming over the top or being impeded etc. But when the ball is on the ground the keeper only needs one hand on it let alone two for it to be deemed in possession, and the rules state that even to ATTEMPT to gain the ball is a foul. No grey area there, and no visibility issue- Atkinson has to either be incompetent or corrupt, probably the first of course, but I think there is at the very least a subconscious move against us now - if we had slipped to 4th/5th bottom for several seasons it wouldn't be so dramatic, but with all this crap about us living in the bottom three (until the end) meaning we don't deserve to be there , and with so many manager changes - I think we are now being seen as 'bad for the brand'.
 
There is plenty of our own fans who have stated at first look they thought not a foul and some still don't after watching replays.
It was a foul all day long! I honestly believe if Pants had been playing well all season/hadn't made a mistake v West Ham then very few of our fans would be saying any other but when things aren't going well some people feel the need to attack people like a Yorkshire Terrier
 
There is plenty of our own fans who have stated at first look they thought not a foul and some still don't after watching replays.

I happen to think a foul,but also think with one look and spilt second to decide understandable to get wrong.

Then again I think most decisions with one look and spilt second to decide are never as easy as people make out,that is generally my opinion on most instances.



No bother mate

Watching a dodgy stream it was hard to tell 'live' but the ref has a slightly better view than this!
 
I thought that the initial challenge was fair, but the one that I thought was more contentious was on the floor when Pants had the ball in both hands?
 
He wasn't even looking at the ball man u can't just jump into someone regardless of their size

Foul or no foul, Pant's invited it by not coming out and protecting himself by putting a knee out. That creates the space for him to catch it or punch it and it puts a knee into berahino's back.

Poor technique
Aye so that makes it fine to just jump straight into him doesn't it
 
Centre forwards should be shitting themselves in that situation that a six foot eight goalkeeper is going to knock them into next week as he comes and collects the ball. It was weak as piss.
 
Was at the match but it was too far away to tell.

Just seen a replay and a foul could have been given but the initial catch was a poor effort from Pants.

That's arguably 3 points he cost us when he should be earning us 16-20;)
 
Should Pants have simply punched it away? With hindsight of course he should have but that doesn't mean it isn't a foul. Berahino jumped into Pants making no attempt at winning the ball, that is a clear foul, I can't even see how it is open to debate. I'm not sure on the Berahino handball, I give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. As for kicking the ball out of Pants hands the rule couldn't be simpler, Pants had 2 hands on the ball and Berahino kicked it out of his grasp, there is no ambiguity here it is 100% a foul.

So there were at least 2 fouls arguably 3.
 
No matter the level of football goalkeepers are taught that any contact when they are going for the ball is a foul I have even had referees tell me this, I don't necessarily believe it should be the rule but that is what has been enforced for years and will continue to be, this isn't a decision what is a foul 99/100 times we won't see another goal like this given in the pl for years
 
Just seen it for the first time, don't think the jump that took him into the keeper was a foul as I don't think it was intentional, the hand ball hard to spot, and did he kick the ball from his hands?

End of the day goal stood, nowt we can do
Whether he jumped into the keeper or not it doesn't have to be intentional. You can still commit a foul without meaning to
 
I thought that the initial challenge was fair, but the one that I thought was more contentious was on the floor when Pants had the ball in both hands?

How on earth was it 'fair'? He jumped straight into him and didn't look at the ball once. His whole intention was to impede Pants.
 
I think it was a foul for the simple reason that Berahino can't play the ball, on account of it being 2 feet above his head. It's definitely obstruction, as all he can do is play the man.

In 99 cases out of 100, the foul is given. We seem to be the 1 time in 100 more than 1 time in 100, though.
 
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Yes, he wasn't looking the ball,jumped into the keeper then kicked it out of his hands.

I'm sick of this season and just wish it was over, regardless of the outcome. It's mistakes and referee decisions every single week man.
 
How on earth was it 'fair'? He jumped straight into him and didn't look at the ball once. His whole intention was to impede Pants.
Just how I personally saw it. Admittedly I watched it on the shittest stream the world had to offer, so not 100%. I thought he made an attempt at getting the ball. Pants should have came over the top and wiped him out. Instead he grab the ball then dropped it. Just my opinion.
 
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