Short badly advised again


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I genuinely don't think short can win with some of the fans. He gets criticised for making decisions with no footballing experience, he then brings in bain to advise him, who is also seeking further knowledge from someone that has been in football for years and he still gets pelters.

Let's just wait and see how it turns out!!!
I wish he would pay off the debt he has got our club in to.
 
This of course is a sensible post but appointing Mcinnes smacks of croneyism. I'd much rather have Schwartz, Jokanovic, Wagner or Stam.
Agree, It smacks of taking advice from one data point which in itself appears to be referring to a specific pool of 'talent'. That's a mistake. There should be a number of data points when appointing what is probably our most crucial management position since Peter Reid came in when we ambling towards the old 3rd again...

We are not a " unique club", ffs how Magesque.

We don't however need advice from Walter Smith, I will agree with you on that one.

He knows his onions but I don't know how current he is. He should be one of a few advisors at varying degrees. It's a bit arrogant to think we only need one person advising.
 
I don't know anything about McInnes tbh. However, I wonder what the SMB would have made of the club giving Clough the managers job in 1975 after failing at Leeds and Brighton.
 
I don't know anything about McInnes tbh. However, I wonder what the SMB would have made of the club giving Clough the managers job in 1975 after failing at Leeds and Brighton.
Failing at Leeds the biggest club in the land at the time is quite a step up from failing in the second division with Bristol fella.
 
Failing at Leeds the biggest club in the land at the time is quite a step up from failing in the second division with Bristol fella.
Cloughs Brighton got knocked out of the FA Cup 0-4 by the mighty Walton and Hersham. They also got beat 2-8 by Bristol Rovers.
Managers don't emerge from a pod as successful championship or premier league standard, they all have to start somewhere and grow. The trick is to find one who is on the up.
 
Given the circumstances I wouldn't, this fella had boliase aye the £30m rated lad and that fast as fuck adohmah on the other wing and still couldn't do a job.
Clough had some canny players at Leeds too mind. ;)

He did do a job though, he secured survival for them when they were adrift when he joined. He did poorly after that and didn't move them on from where he found them but he had no resources and players were being sold from under him. I don't particularly want the lad but dismissing him out of hand based on his Bristol tenure is wrong in my opinion.
 
We are not a " unique club", ffs how Magesque.

We don't however need advice from Walter Smith, I will agree with you on that one.

Sunderland are unique in that it is a very difficult job to get right. Look at teams like Watford, huge Managerial turnover, less net spend than ourselves, yet find themselves above us. Steve Bruce did a great job at Wigan but that was a club that was suited to him.
 
Someone asked me yesterday what my feelings were regarding Moyes leaving.
I said I was pleased but really worried as I have absolutely no belief that Short and Bain are capable of choosing the right man for the job.
 
So then, the inexperienced have the advantage of not being able to be judged on their failures, which are still all yet to be had.

And 'failure' at one particular club, at one particular point in time, with one particular set of players is so invariably instructive that that manager cannot ever be expected to succeed at a different club, at a different time and with a different set of players.

What happened last week, or last month, or last year is not a guarantee of what will happen next week/month/year. At best, it might be indicative. The fact that a person didn't win the Lottery jackpot last week does not mean that they won't win it next week.

There is also no rationale that dictates - "We've had a Scottish manager and he failed, therefore all Scottish managers will fail". Conversely, there is obviously no relationship between Paulo Di Canio's failure and Conte's success, by virtue of their shared nationality.

I'm more interested in any prospective manager's strength of character, their intelligence and their vision and ideas on how things should be done in the future. I'm not bothered about whether they will have to rely on an interpreter, or whether they will ever win the Perrier award for comedy, or whether their voice is a dreary monotone.

The only test is - Can they, given the correct financial support, identify, recruit and work with a squad of players so that it is motivated and organised and talented enough to win football matches on a regular basis ?
Excellent post! Spot on.
 
Everyone wanted Moyes out but now the replacements mooted aren't good enough.

Give the bloke a chance if it is him. Everyone pissed theirselves laughing when Hull brought in Marco Silva and look what happened there
 
Excellent post! Spot on.

I disagree! I don't think think we have had a Scottish Manger who has failed so all Scottish Managers will fail. That is NOT how i see it, i do believe though that Scottish football is a lower level and therefore not the best place to judge success. At one time Scottish Managers were actually quite successful in the English Leagues but that has reversed with few actually achieving any success in recent seasons.

Everyone wanted Moyes out but now the replacements mooted aren't good enough.

Give the bloke a chance if it is him. Everyone pissed theirselves laughing when Hull brought in Marco Silva and look what happened there

I didn't, i thought at the time it was a bold move.
 
I disagree! I don't think think we have had a Scottish Manger who has failed so all Scottish Managers will fail. That is NOT how i see it, i do believe though that Scottish football is a lower level and therefore not the best place to judge success. At one time Scottish Managers were actually quite successful in the English Leagues but that has reversed with few actually achieving any success in recent seasons.

Then, in my opinion, either you haven't read the post properly or you've misunderstood it. It was not all about whether we should or should not have a Scottish manager, it was, I thought, a very erudite discussion of the irrationality of thought of many posters on this board, hence my comment which I stand by.
 
Eddie howe failed at Burnley. Not every manager is a success at every club they go to. Doesn't automatically mean failure wherever they go.
Works the other way. Take the knacker who has recently departed. Good at Everton shit everywhere else.

Regardless of who comes in he simply must be allowed to bring his own back room staff with him.
 
Given the circumstances I wouldn't, this fella had boliase aye the £30m rated lad and that fast as fuck adohmah on the other wing and still couldn't do a job.
He kept them up when he had Bolasie. Part of what led to him losing his job was being forced to sell him the previous summer.

This must be the fastest establishment of a PF 'fact' since it was decided that Short has trebled the debt since he bought the club.
 
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