Short badly advised again


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He's been a manager for 10 years and 9 of those years have been successful - his first year at Bristol he saved them, next year sacked. How can you take aside his jobs in Scotland - that is the vast majority. This Board is depressing - desperate to get the last manager out to the extent of 'anyone but Moyes' and then write off the next manager before he starts. And as you do write off that manager ignore the 9 out of 10 years when he's been successful. BTW who is this manager who has a link with our history - are you saying it must be Phillips or Swarchz? It appears that you will support anyone who Short doesn't want.

While i would prefer Phillips or Schwarz over McInnes i do have concerns over their lack of experience, but Keegan had no Managerial experience but he understood the club and it's fans. Whoever we bring in as Manager i would like to see a different outlook. I am sick of the negative one up front, one shot per game Managers.
I could have stomached relegation if i thought we had a go in games. Far to often we were beaten as soon as the opponents scored.
 
You would have thought he would have learnt by now but if the media is correct and we are after Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes because of a recommendation by Walter Smith.
Why would we be even considering anyone suggested by Walter Smith? Does he know anything about Sunderland or even the Championship?
Sunderland is a unique club and it will destroy the wrong Manager. It needs a Manager who understands the Club and has a link with it's history.
Derek McInnes, taking his Scottish jobs aside has been very poor. Slumps of form at Bristol City, 7 consecutive defeats. Appointing him will be one of Short's biggest ill advised disasters.
Can we drop the Scottish connection, thinking that anyone who has done well in Scotland brings any credit.
Jackie McNamara did well at Patick taking them to a Cup Final, at Dundee Utd he also got them to a cup final. At York he was a disaster, taking them into Non League where they are still struggling to recover now.
Success in Scotland should be taking with a pinch of salt.
It doesn't matter who he gets. He won't make enough funds available
 
He's been a manager for 10 years and 9 of those years have been successful - his first year at Bristol he saved them, next year sacked. How can you take aside his jobs in Scotland - that is the vast majority. This Board is depressing - desperate to get the last manager out to the extent of 'anyone but Moyes' and then write off the next manager before he starts. And as you do write off that manager ignore the 9 out of 10 years when he's been successful. BTW who is this manager who has a link with our history - are you saying it must be Phillips or Swarchz? It appears that you will support anyone who Short doesn't want.

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Derek McInnes, taking his Scottish jobs aside has been very poor. Slumps of form at Bristol City, 7 consecutive defeats. Appointing him will be one of Short's biggest ill advised disasters.
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So you just want us to look at one season out of the 10 that he has been managing for?

Notice you didn't mention how McInnes saved Bristol City the season before.
 
You're right mate, I know but we really can't afford to get this one wrong
I know your right. He would not be my first choice but whoever comes in needs to look at the club as a whole and not just the first team, seeing the average age of the Ajax team really showed us up at just how badly we as a club (and most Premier League clubs at that) are ran and massive changes are needed.
 
But we won't know if it turns out well and if it was right until we see if we are better under someone new. I desperately hope we are but there isn't a queue of proven managers wanting to come here.
Well there will be competent managers out there but whether we'll appoint one is open to doubt. :evil: As a rule of thumb I'd look at their win percentage then factor in where he's plied his trade. The style of football he favours and whether he's positive. You can guarantee none of the above will be the criteria. :evil:
 
Rightly so as well . Are we forgetting the quite frankly pathetic job he done? Some of the names linked won't be my personal choice but I'd prefer to give them a go then let Moyes continue the disastrous job he was doing.
That's fair dos, i wanted him gone at the end too, just pointing out people that are not willing to give this lad a go were probably the same ones who said they didn't care who was in charge as long as Moyes fucks off. Can't have it both ways.
 
I tell you something that should be taken with a pinch of salt: the idea that you need to have first hand knowledge of SAFC to understand it and succeed as manager. What a load of horseshit. Good leaders will be good leader regardless of their location, historical links or even fields of expertise. And SAFC isn't an impenetrable riddle. We're a northern football club with a large and passionate fanbase. Give us wins and we'll be fine.

McInnes may be able to deliver that. He may not. But there's no logical reason why he'd fail where Kevin Phillips would succeed.
horseshit sums up the 'special' attitude up perfectly. We are a football club. Buy decent players, train them to work together, and then see results on the pitch.
 
Eddie howe failed at Burnley. Not every manager is a success at every club they go to. Doesn't automatically mean failure wherever they go.
Don't think he failed.
He was turning round a relegated club and gave Dyche the opportunity of working with a decent squad.
I would be more than happy if we got a manager who could sign the likes of Austin, Tripper, Vokes, Ings and Ben Mee.
 
Well there will be competent managers out there but whether we'll appoint one is open to doubt. :evil: As a rule of thumb I'd look at their win percentage then factor in where he's plied his trade. The style of football he favours and whether he's positive. You can guarantee none of the above will be the criteria. :evil:
I will give my support to whoever we appoint but I haven't seen a name yet that I actually think , Aye, he's the one
 
It doesn't matter who he gets. He won't make enough funds available[/QUOTE]
That probably depends on transfer dealings. How much he can rake in from sales and will he be able to get rid of most of the shite that Moyes and others have left us with. A manager who can wheel, deal and uncover hidden gems will be what's required. :cool:

I will give my support to whoever we appoint but I haven't seen a name yet that I actually think , Aye, he's the one
The 4 I've already mentioned ... Schwartz, Jokanovic, Wagner or Stam would be my choices but it looks like Mcinnes is the chosen one.
 
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He should employ people who know what they're doing and we wouldn't be a f***ing mess

He's appointed people who supposedly know what they are doing Bruce, O'Neill, Poyet Advokaat Allardyce and Moyes - I'm not sure what managers people would want that he hasn't tried.
 
Exactly. Some of the names in the mix have no experience so nothing to judge them on. Mcinnes record is hardly inspiring and his "success" has been in a shit league on par with third division stuff.
So then, the inexperienced have the advantage of not being able to be judged on their failures, which are still all yet to be had.

And 'failure' at one particular club, at one particular point in time, with one particular set of players is so invariably instructive that that manager cannot ever be expected to succeed at a different club, at a different time and with a different set of players.

What happened last week, or last month, or last year is not a guarantee of what will happen next week/month/year. At best, it might be indicative. The fact that a person didn't win the Lottery jackpot last week does not mean that they won't win it next week.

There is also no rationale that dictates - "We've had a Scottish manager and he failed, therefore all Scottish managers will fail". Conversely, there is obviously no relationship between Paulo Di Canio's failure and Conte's success, by virtue of their shared nationality.

I'm more interested in any prospective manager's strength of character, their intelligence and their vision and ideas on how things should be done in the future. I'm not bothered about whether they will have to rely on an interpreter, or whether they will ever win the Perrier award for comedy, or whether their voice is a dreary monotone.

The only test is - Can they, given the correct financial support, identify, recruit and work with a squad of players so that it is motivated and organised and talented enough to win football matches on a regular basis ?
 
Don't understand why we have to head hunt a candidate based on the recommendations of Walter Smith. Apart from being Bain's buddy, what qualifies him to be our advisor?

Old school mebbys but why not just have an open recruitment and interview interested candidates. The likes of Schwarz and Phillips might turn out to be excellent managers but what chance have they got of an interview if Walter Smith is doing the headhunting.

f***ing shambles.
 
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