Short badly advised again


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The OP's McNamara example is a good one. I heard when he was at Dundee United "talented young manager."

He went to York, bloody York and failed miserably

There has been lots more. On the reverse side people like terry Butcher and Neil Lennon flopped down here and were fairly successful in Scotland. Butcher failed in England went to Inverness and Hibs and was generally successful. His two jobs in England at Brentford and Exeter were short lived disasters.
 
This constant he failed at Bristol City line is a little naive do you think he may have learnt from that experience and has improved?
Also this obsession with having to know SAFC and have a link to us what link did Reid have before he took over and arguably become the best modern era manager we've had, that's right not a thing.
 
There has been lots more. On the reverse side people like terry Butcher and Neil Lennon flopped down here and were fairly successful in Scotland. Butcher failed in England went to Inverness and Hibs and was generally successful. His two jobs in England at Brentford and Exeter were short lived disasters.
Butcher took Hibs down so that's not really a success unless you are Rafa or Davie M and he never managed Exeter it was Newport.
 
There has been lots more. On the reverse side people like terry Butcher and Neil Lennon flopped down here and were fairly successful in Scotland. Butcher failed in England went to Inverness and Hibs and was generally successful. His two jobs in England at Brentford and Exeter were short lived disasters.
Butcher was certainly not a success at Hibs relegating them.
 
You would have thought he would have learnt by now but if the media is correct and we are after Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes because of a recommendation by Walter Smith.
Why would we be even considering anyone suggested by Walter Smith? Does he know anything about Sunderland or even the Championship?
Sunderland is a unique club and it will destroy the wrong Manager. It needs a Manager who understands the Club and has a link with it's history.
Derek McInnes, taking his Scottish jobs aside has been very poor. Slumps of form at Bristol City, 7 consecutive defeats. Appointing him will be one of Short's biggest ill advised disasters.
Can we drop the Scottish connection, thinking that anyone who has done well in Scotland brings any credit.
Jackie McNamara did well at Patick taking them to a Cup Final, at Dundee Utd he also got them to a cup final. At York he was a disaster, taking them into Non League where they are still struggling to recover now.
Success in Scotland should be taking with a pinch of salt.
why does the manager need a link with our clubs history ?? that is complete bollox.
 
I genuinely don't think short can win with some of the fans. He gets criticised for making decisions with no footballing experience, he then brings in bain to advise him, who is also seeking further knowledge from someone that has been in football for years and he still gets pelters.

Let's just wait and see how it turns out!!!
 
I genuinely don't think short can win with some of the fans. He gets criticised for making decisions with no footballing experience, he then brings in bain to advise him, who is also seeking further knowledge from someone that has been in football for years and he still gets pelters.

Let's just wait and see how it turns out!!!
Anyone but Moyes was the cry on here
 
Admittedly I know very little about him but was he really a massive failure at Bristol? He kept them up unexpectedly in his his first season. They had a poor squad even for that level made poorer by the sale of Bolasie and they had to scrape around for free transfers and not many would jump at the chance to play for a team who was expected to go down. They finished further from safety than when he left aswell.
 
In reply to the OP,it's Short's biggest mistake among many mistakes that he didn't find himself a small inner circle of advisors who knew the club and,more widely, the world of football, as soon as he assumed control. He stuck with Byrne.....what advice was she giving him? The whole Di Fanti/PdC fiasco.....what kind of forethought and planning went into that? Why was he so keen to appoint Moyes......who was telling him he would be a success? And now we have Walter Smith......who may be a knowledgeable and experienced bloke, certainly one of the Fergie/Moyes friendship group,........ but how long has he been on the scene and is Short now taking his advice?
 
The truth.
Just wish we had someone in charge who had a knowledge of world football and could think outside the box and come up with a Warner or Silva type. Problem for me will be whoever turns will be crippled before they start by the financial mess the club is in. Hope whoever comes knows the truth before they start.

I agree with the sentiment of what you are saying but for every one of those there are many more that have failed over here
 
The OP's McNamara example is a good one. I heard when he was at Dundee United "talented young manager."

He went to York, bloody York and failed miserably
He had one decent season at United, they never improved massively under him and the fans wanted him out for ages. It's a completely different situation!
 
I learned quite enough in the disastrous 9 months he was here ta very much. :eek: :oops:
But we won't know if it turns out well and if it was right until we see if we are better under someone new. I desperately hope we are but there isn't a queue of proven managers wanting to come here.
 
I hate this "Sunderland is a unique club" bollcks. Most will see it as a job and a stepping stone. If they do well enough at Sunderland to get a bigger "unique club" then am all for it.

Infairness Derek McInnes has more experience than Phillips, Schwarz at the like. The latter 2 will probably understand the uniqueness you speak off.
 
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