Shooting in a mosque in NZ...



robbied1 said:
So they are not free to say what they want, as there are consequences fpr doing so. Its like saying people are free to murder people, they are not because you will end up serving life
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Well I suppose it depends on how you define it.
I could call someone's Grandmother a cunt and it would be technically Freedom of Speech, but that doesn't mean I won't get a black eye.
 
Purrfect South said:
I've never seen a Democrat leader boast about having Antifa on their side, or threatening the opposition to unleash them. By the way Antifa are patriots too.
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Nevertheless, Antifa are far-left are they not? Keith said "lock up nutters on both sides", GK asked "what sides?", I offered some links.

I've never seen a Republican/Conservative leader say go out and shoot up mosques.
 
Tommasi said:
Aye video games are the reason this happened. Fuck all to do with the right wing press pushing agendas. This is what happens when you have people like Katie Hopkins labelling people "cockroaches"
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You are actually blaming Katie Hopkins for this? :lol:

Anyone inciting violence should be prosecuted, and anyone inciting this type of violence should be locked up and the key thrown away.

But there is a million miles between criticising immigration and inciting mass murder.
 
Aituk7 said:
My lass's step dad and step brother are both brown skinned muslims.

They've experienced racism off people but it's not this waiting tinderbox that could explode at any minute.

They certainly don't feel fearful or expect it to go down any minute as sonson appeared to be describing.

And when I've been out with them no one's ever said anything. Her step brother is a proper gobby lads lad aswell and even when hes had arguments in the pub etc. I've never heard anyone call him something racist.
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Are they real believers or not though? That's a rhetorical question as its unimportant.

As for the video game angle, I've played GoldenEye and regularly play Gears Of War and have never wanted to go out and murder random people. I've also watched a lot of violent films, same outcome. I don't want to murder people (especially random ones) because I'm not a psycho/lunatic/mental.

But personal responsibility eh?
 
bigmarlon said:
Nevertheless, Antifa are far-left are they not? Keith said "lock up nutters on both sides", GK asked "what sides?", I offered some links.

I've never seen a Republican/Conservative leader say go out and shoot up mosques.
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You know as well as I do that Trump has just threatened his opposition. Don't try acting all innocent on this one.
 
sonson said:
Because millions of White People all over the Western World are openly rejecting the right of non-white people to live in Western countries.

Thankfully in Britain that isn’t, as yet, anything close to a majority view. But the Brexit debacle has exposed the utter ineptitude and indifference of our polite democratic political class to anything but self interest and the public’s utter refusal to do anything tangible to fight for democracy.

It will just take one fascist who knows how to play the system, who can dress himself in the garb of political acceptability, and the weakness of the existing political class, the class class subservience of the public to politicians and the radicalism of right-wing supporters will ensure the far-right gets a big voice here too and people will be more interested in appeasing it for the sake Democratic acceptability than poising it as an evil.

In the past two years my wife and lots of her her family members and their friends have been called Paki, N****, told to go home on several occasions etc despite it hardly ever occurring to them in their lifetimes. And the first generation immigrants among them havent felt as intimidating a climate as bad as this since they came.

There is a turn in the tide. How bad I can’t say. But White Supremacy is a far bigger threat to the West than Islamic extremism. Because Islamic extremists arent going to overthrow a state with isolate terrorism. Their aim is very very long game, they want s monolithic clash between Islam and everyone else that’s impossible to engineer.

White Supremacusts have on the other hand routinley overthrown democracies within less than a decade. When democracies are sick, that’s when they strike. And look at where democracy is now.
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I can't comment on what your family have experienced.

As for the rest of your post I find it to be ridiculous and hyperbolic in nature.

I don't recognise your description of this country or the world in relation to the specific issue you mentioned in your previous post
 
Pseudonym Number 1 said:
See now that's almost as bad as what that aussie politician said.
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Unfortunately there are nutters who happen to be Muslim extremists and far right extremists that are directly opposed to each other. The thing they have in common is they both kill innocents randomly and need to be off our streets.

Obviously you want to make another point which isn't really there...
 
kossoff said:
Are they real believers or not though? That's a rhetorical question as its unimportant.

As for the video game angle, I've played GoldenEye and regularly play Gears Of War and have never wanted to go out and murder random people. I've also watched a lot of violent films, same outcome. I don't want to murder people (especially random ones) because I'm not a psycho/lunatic/mental.

But personal responsibility eh?
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What's your point? You don't get an award for not killing people and even if you did I don't give those awards out

Keith S30S said:
Unfortunately there are nutters who happen to be Muslim extremists and far right extremists that are directly opposed to each other. The thing they have in common is they both kill innocents randomly and need to be off our streets.

Obviously you want to make another point which isn't really there...
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If you study what they actually believe, they differ on who the supreme people are but they are a lot closer on a number of issues than many would like to admit.
 
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Aituk7 said:
I can't comment on what your family have experienced.

As for the rest of your post I find it to be ridiculous and hyperbolic in nature.

I don't recognise your description of this country or the world in relation to the specific issue you mentioned in your previous post
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I don’t care
 
Hulkster said:
In which case people aren't totally free to say wharewha they want.
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Of course you are free to say what you want but you need to understand there are consequences to all actions....Some consequences are when you say hateful full things you will hurt peoples feelings, another consequence is that you might break laws and end up in jail. You can still say what you want, its your choice and nobody can stop you.

I would say the right to free speech comes with responsibility not to use it to hurt others or encourage others people to hurt others....If you choose to do that anyway then you are choosing to accept the consequences.
 

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