Shane McGowan - hypocrite?



muggboots said:
He can't be that staunch, he couldn't even be arsed to be born in Ireland.

It seems that to be being that obsessively single minded, driven and ambitious enough to find success in the ruthless, cutthroat music industry is hard, very hard. These musicians have to write songs, perform and express these emotions & moral messages. Like musical tourettes.
That's probably why the performer to fruitloopbasketcasiopath ratio is through the roof in the music business. It's a good thing, take a look at what happens when you let the beige PE exempt bastards have a go. Keane, Coldplay and The West London Wurzels come in and uncorrupt the youth.
The nearest The Mumfords have been to farming is hedge funds and Ed Sheeran.
Chris Martin as a rock God? Michael f***ing Mckintyre would have Martin's dinner money away, I reckon Timmy Mallet, Ray Mears, Giles Brandreth and Sir Patrick Moore have drunkenly crashed more flap than Toffs R Us. They had Oi! In the 70s, we've got Oik!
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Areet man Lauren. I know you have to play the edgy 6 music persona but this is a bit strong
 
Dave Herbal said:
Well I’ve seem him singing like a normal front man, and I’ve also seen him sitting on a chair working his way though 3 bottles of wine and mumbling the words. Not really what I paid good money to see. Yet when Winehouse did the same thing once it was all over the news.
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True , you get what you get from him, however i have paid good money to watch Sunderland at wembley many times and have yet to see a win , money spent on tickets doesn't guarantee anything
 
Exapno Mapcase said:
Living in England, being born in England, doesn't prevent anyone from forming their own political opinion which doesn't agree with the country's establishment. Having a cultural and familial heritage that is strongly associated with another country is inevitably going to be influential. The main reason Irish people have ended up in England is economic, part of that is to do, historically, with the way Irish people were treated by Brits.

Being hypocritical would require Shane to spend his time hobnobbing with the queen and secretly funding the British army. He is an Irish Republican and has a right to be. Bringing up his scholarship at Westminster School is a bit old hat. I should also say that supporting a united Ireland is not exclusive to people who are Irish or of Irish extraction. The actions of Britain in Ireland are nothing to be proud of and the real violence started, in the most recent phase of Anglo Irish relations, with British soldiers acting on behalf of the British government.

He is an alcohol and drug using genius and some of the best gigs I have been to involved him, with The Pogues. memorably guesting with The Dubliners at The Mean Fiddler and Clapham Grand, and stupendous early gigs with The Popes, - duetting with Nick Cave on I Have Been A Rover
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The British have left their mark on Ireland but what is palpable, and extremely hypocritical IMHO, is the whiter than white image cultivated by republicans from all ends of the spectrum.

British bad Irish good, simply does not begin to tell the whole story. Facts often appear lost on McGowan and his ilk.
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
I'm not angry

Feel free to put your points across

Whats your opinion on the terrorists who murdered children in shopping centers?
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My opinion on anyone who maims or murders...etc is disgust and every other sickening feeling.
That is not my point.
My point is about all of us being hypocrites in life.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
My opinion on anyone who maims or murders...etc is disgust and every other sickening feeling.
That is not my point.
My point is about all of us being hypocrites in life.
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And thats why his level of hypocrisy is higher than most other peoples. He wishes he'd joined the organisation murdering and maiming the children of the people he is performing in front of, living and socialising with and earning his pay check from
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
And thats why his level of hypocrisy is higher than most other peoples. He wishes he'd joined the organisation murdering and maiming the children of the people he is performing in front of, living and socialising with and earning his pay check from
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His level may be sky high but the point I'm making is, we are all hypocrites and it just depends on how we see others against what we believe we see in ourselves.
 
To all the "Shane Macgowan is English" posters, if you moved to China for work and had children born there would you regard them as Chinese? Are Children born abroad due to their parents British military service "foreign" as well and not English?

There are children born to British/English parents in France and Spain, but I guarantee those parents don't regard their children as French or Spanish, why should Shane be any different?

If he was born in the US or Canada to Irish parents, I would say he was primarily American or Canadian because they're immigrant nations where ethnicity/heritage doesn't matter.

But identity in Europe is still based on ethnonationalism and "jus sanguinis" applies here as law so I guess Shane Macgowan is Irish.
 
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Shane Mc Gowan's full of shit only started being Irish again in 1980, wearer of a nice Union Jack coat in 76/77 & sang in a nice Cockney accent in the Nipplerrectors & The Nips, my mate used to drink with Spider Stacey & was one of The Pogues early roadies, used to torture the daft twat over it. Got us in the gig at The Poly for nothing though 😉
 
artful splodger said:
Shane Mc Gowan's full of shit only started being Irish again in 1980, wearer of a nice Union Jack coat in 76/77 & sang in a nice Cockney accent in the Nipplerrectors & The Nips, my mate used to drink with Spider Stacey & was one of The Pogues early roadies, used to torture the daft twat over it. Got us in the gig at The Poly for nothing though 😉
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But he is actually Irish. Whether he's British or not is an open question (legally I suspect he probably is), but the UK isn't like US or Canada which have birthright citizenship. I don't get this clamouring to call Shane McGowan English, the only thing English about him is his accent, (whatever fuckin accent he has these days) but its quite clear he's culturally very Irish.
 
McGowan and the Pogues are very overrated. Most of their stuff was just good time sing along, bounce along music. I saw the Pogues some time late 80s or early nineties, cant remember.

His later politics were stupid and ill judged and may have been affected by his drinking. And I say that as an Irish person.

What is interesting is that many of the giants of "British" pop/rock music were born in England of Irish emigrants. The list includes Lennon & McCartney, Elvis Costello, Morrissey and Marr, John Lydon (Rotten) and the Gallagher brothers. Even fecking Boy George. There must have been something about growing up under the influence of two cultures that produced great songwriting.
 
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Sharpshooter said:
But he is actually Irish. Whether he's British or not is an open question (legally I suspect he probably is), but the UK isn't like US or Canada which have birthright citizenship. I don't get this clamouring to call Shane McGowan English, the only thing English about him is his accent, (whatever fuckin accent he has these days) but its quite clear he's culturally very Irish.
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I didn't say he wasn't Irish, I just said what he wore & sung like before he went full blown paddy in The Pogues.
Parkmaverick said:
Aren’t we all I sang career opportunities by the clash with gusto in my youth (still do) but have spent 22 years working for the civil service
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Nothing wrong with getting a job/carear, it's all just teenage angst & rebellion, if we all followed the advice of the musso's of the world we'd all be starving & they'd have something to complain about then. 🤣
 
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Ember said:
McGowan and the Pogues are very overrated. Most of their stuff was just good time sing along, bounce along music. I saw the Pogues some time late 80s or early nineties, cant remember.

His later politics were stupid and ill judged and may have been affected by his drinking. And I say that as an Irish person.

What is interesting is that many of the giants of "British" pop/rock music were born in England of Irish emigrants. The list includes Lennon & McCartney, Elvis Costello, Morrissey and Marr, John Lydon (Rotten) and the Gallagher brothers. Even fecking Boy George. There must have been something about growing up under the influence of two cultures that produced great songwriting.
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not having that mind
 
artful splodger said:
I didn't say he wasn't Irish, I just said what he wore & sung like before he went full blown paddy in The Pogues.

Nothing wrong with getting a job/carear, it's all just teenage angst & rebellion, if we all followed the advice of the musso's of the world we'd all be starving & they'd have something to complain about then. 🤣
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But we’d have saved Africa
 

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