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It was right to sell him for what we got when we did.

No it wasn't. We were in the relegation zone practically all season. I'd have rather we kept him considering Giaccherini did next to fuck all.

Great post as per though daz.
 
There are many disagree with you. On his day he was a game changer but his day wasn't very often
And the rest were so constantly good. :rolleyes:
A game changer for 6m? Jozy was 7m, Giaccherini was 6.5m, Gardner was 6m, Graham was 5m, N'Diaye 4m, Scocco 4m... and none of them are game changers. Since when we were so spoiled with game changers that we don't need one?
 
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And the rest were so constantly good. :rolleyes:
A game changer for 6m? Jozy was 7m, Giaccherini was 6.5m, Gardner was 6m, Graham was 5m, N'Diaye 4m, Scocco 4m... and none of them are game changers. Since when we were so spoiled with game changers that we don't need one?
Yeah, but all of those in bold are profound mistakes. The only outlier is Giaccherini, who may deliver far more this season.
 
Loved him, the kind of player that you go to the game to see because you know he can create something from nothing. We have no one at all like that now, maybe Johnson when he's on form.

His end product was better than all of our strikers last season too, 7 PL goals in 2012/13.
 
It was all complete bullshit, he's nowhere near good enough

Whereas Scott Sinclair, Jack Rodwell, Owen Hargreaves and our own Adam Johnson were at the time?

There were several clubs interested in him at the time and his form was good and stock was high. Citeh went onto sign the likes of Sinclair who didn't show anymore. Whilst Sess and our form dipped. Niall Quinn might overplay things, but I'd take his word over yours that there were some big clubs asking about him and considering his stock on arrival and his first season I don't see why there wouldn't have been interest.

Point taken, but Jozy being crap doesn't make Sess good. We should have done much better with the money.

Sess was good though, in general. Inconsistent and rarely at his brilliant best, but then who is apart from top top players? Even when he was ineffectual he won free kicks in the final third and created a bit of space.

Surely "cashing in because he's 29 and inconsistent" tells a story when we're actually able to sell a 29 year old easily to a Premiership club? It was never going to be easy to replaced him paying a similar amount to what we got for him, nevermind paying less and likely less wages. It's not rocket science.
 
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A fantastic little player.

Some (plenty) were adamant that he was shite because he was inconsistent, but he was capable of brilliance and being a match winner. In a way its the same shite Johnson gets from sections of the support now, I think you have to question whether these people really understood the true role he played, lost count of the amount of times on here people claimed Sessegnon was a striker.

One of my favourite Sessegnon moments was at home to Norwich, a lovely nutmeg just inside their half, a cracking ball played out wide to (Fraizer Campbell?) who then put in a class cross where Sessegnon continued his run to head home.

Class little player, class memories of him here.

Agree with this. Even when he had a quiet game he would invariably win a free kick with some brilliant dribbling and take the pressure off our defence. By far the most skilful player we've ever had.
 
It was right to sell him for what we got when we did.

Wouldn't have been particularly averse to selling him at the start of the summer providing we had plenty of time to get a replacement in, but selling him when we did was absolutely awful timing from a footballing point of view considering the dearth of our attacking options.
 
He didn't at all. He also spent a chunk of it injured, was much more important for WBA at the back end of last season than Giach has been for us and for the most part looked a better player.

Both scored 5 goals, Giaccherini had 4 assists to Sessegnon's 1, and Giaccherini played less minutes than the chunkily injured one. And I'd hate to think where we'd be right now without Giaccherini's performance/product against Manchester City away in the back end of last season.

Statistically, Giaccherini produced more, and Sessegnon couldn't have been THAT influential if we finished higher and got to a cup final without him and WBA finished lower (and lower than us) with him.

But as long as Sess 'looks' better, I guess...
 
Both scored 5 goals, Giaccherini had 4 assists to Sessegnon's 1, and Giaccherini played less minutes than the chunkily injured one. And I'd hate to think where we'd be right now without Giaccherini's performance/product against Manchester City away in the back end of last season.

Statistically, Giaccherini produced more, and Sessegnon couldn't have been THAT influential if we finished higher without him and WBA lower with him.

But as long as Sess 'looks' better, I guess...

Giaccherini played less league games and scored less league goals and featured in less minutes. Giaccherini after the start of the season wasn't a regular, Sess was. Sess missed a chunk of the season with a hernia op and earnt WBA more points than Giac earnt us, in goals Sess's goals contributed to 8 points for WBA, Giach's here contributed to 2. No idea about assists, can't be arsed to check (not even sure how to), but I'd guess my point has pretty much been made anyway.

With my own eyes I saw Sess contribute to WBA staying up early and late on in the season, albeit in a handful of minutes. With my own eyes Giacc done very little here after looking good early on, a couple of cup games and then later on the was a couple of flashes. Regardless of the moves against Citeh, which saw Scocco also involved, Sess was better and more influential last season than Giacc was for us. Have a look on some WBA forums and although they concede he was at times ineffectual, they mostly all wanted him in the side. You couldn't say the same here last season about Giacc and this season it's nothing more than hope.


f***ing laugh out loud to the bold. Complete and utter mumbo jumbo, I'm guessing you're pissed or something.
 
Giaccherini played less league games and scored less league goals and featured in less minutes. Giaccherini after the start of the season wasn't a regular, Sess was. Sess missed a chunk of the season with a hernia op and earnt WBA more points than Giac earnt us, in goals Sess's goals contributed to 8 points for WBA, Giach's here contributed to 2. No idea about assists, can't be arsed to check (not even sure how to), but I'd guess my point has pretty much been made anyway.

With my own eyes I saw Sess contribute to WBA staying up early and late on in the season, albeit in a handful of minutes. With my own eyes Giacc done very little here after looking good early on, a couple of cup games and then later on the was a couple of flashes. Regardless of the moves against Citeh, which saw Scocco also involved, Sess was better and more influential last season than Giacc was for us. Have a look on some WBA forums and although they concede he was at times ineffectual, they mostly all wanted him in the side. You couldn't say the same here last season about Giacc and this season it's nothing more than hope.


f***ing laugh out loud to the bold. Complete and utter mumbo jumbo, I'm guessing you're pissed or something.

Weird post. So Giaccherhini producing more in less games for a team somehow makes Sessegnon more productive because in the games he produced in his team just so happened to defend better? Production is just production. What is made of that production is out of the individuals' hands. So it just so happened that Sessegnon's goals occurred in more decisive games, so what?

And before you go laughing yourself into a hernia at my post, may be you should check the accuracy of your own stats? You've credited Sess with 3 points for 'contributing' a goal to a 3-0 win over us yet Giaccherini scored in our 4-0 win over Cardiff and only gets credited with 2 points from you in total. How does that work, exactly? Genuine mistake or just trying to load the argument with total bullshit?

I won't guess that your 'argument' - such as it is - is flimsier than a French car due to you being pissed. I don't really feel the need to feel sufficiently threatened by an alternative view that I have to convince myself that there is no possible way anyone can possibly disagree with my imperious opinion so therefore there must be some special explanation for it. If you want to believe, based on your interpretation of the evidence and your subjective viewing of games that Sessegnon had more impact, then fair enough. To each their own. That's the beauty of football.

I'm just telling it like it is, though - in terms of individual contribution, Giaccherini produced more. He was directly involved in 9 goals last season to Sessegnon's 6, and he did with less opportunity. You can put a different interpretation on that and look at what those goals meant in terms of tangible product, but it's not definitive. It doesn't win an argument or dismiss another. You could argue that, with his assists at Cardiff and Manchester City, Giaccherini delivered in THE two crucial moments of our survival. Those two 2-2 away draws coming from behind were massive. One maintained the momentum that got us back in the pack after the horrific start (which was only not a total bust due to a Giaccherini goal, btw), the other created the momentum that got us out of it. You could also say, if we are crediting Sessegnon with contributing to the three points against us, that Giaccherini contributed to us getting to Wembley. I'd call that a pretty tangible contribution personally.

Still, what I said remains true - Giaccherini produced more. Involved in 9 goals to 6. That's the fact here. The rest is just what you want to make of it.
 
Sess was good though, in general. Inconsistent and rarely at his brilliant best, but then who is apart from top top players? Even when he was ineffectual he won free kicks in the final third and created a bit of space.

Surely "cashing in because he's 29 and inconsistent" tells a story when we're actually able to sell a 29 year old easily to a Premiership club? It was never going to be easy to replaced him paying a similar amount to what we got for him, nevermind paying less and likely less wages. It's not rocket science.
Is there any need? Really?
Nevertheless, I don't agree that he was good, in general. He was good, on occasion. He was often not good and generally lacked "football intelligence". I wasn't thrilled to see him go, tbh - I quite liked him - but it wasn't a biggie. Again, the biggie was Giaccherini's under-performance.
 
No it wasn't. We were in the relegation zone practically all season. I'd have rather we kept him considering Giaccherini did next to fuck all.

Great post as per though daz.
i liked him as a player.
when he threw his strop at psg only we were interested. Speaks volumes for a 'gamechanger' that he had no other suitors able to outbid us, being
as tight as you claim us to be.
when he was hawked around, the only team interested in your 'gamechanger' were perennial relegation merchants and noted
scrooges wba.
but hey you know best..we were ripped etc etc that badly we got our money back on a 29 yo one in a million gamechanger and we finished above them..yes you have it all at your fingertips
 
And the rest were so constantly good. :rolleyes:
A game changer for 6m? Jozy was 7m, Giaccherini was 6.5m, Gardner was 6m, Graham was 5m, N'Diaye 4m, Scocco 4m... and none of them are game changers. Since when we were so spoiled with game changers that we don't need one?
So we have spent badly. Sess had ability but he couldn't hit a barn door and he performed occasionally. An expensive luxury
 
So we have spent badly. Sess had ability but he couldn't hit a barn door and he performed occasionally. An expensive luxury
So we signed more expensive luxuries each with resale values of less than what we paid.
For 6m WBA got a player who was instrumental in saving them, while we've spent 11m on two forwards who scored 1 goal between them. Yet we got a good deal according to some on here.
 
So we signed more expensive luxuries each with resale values of less than what we paid.
For 6m WBA got a player who was instrumental in saving them, while we've spent 11m on two forwards who scored 1 goal between them. Yet we got a good deal according to some on here.
As I said we have paid over the odds for players. Look at the individual. He certainly didn't save them. Another player who is becoming a legend in poor memories
 
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