Seriously, what is wrong with Messi?

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Messi and Barça at their best had a symbiotic relationshiop - them both mutually enhancing their qualities. Argentina just don't have the playmakers to bring the best out of Messi - he can't make the passes and be there in time to receive them
In fairness Argentina never really had the players to bring the best out of Maradona. They did have some good players like Valdano and Burruchaga but Maradona made it happen almost by himself. He was almost like a school boy who just loved playing football. you gave him the ball and he did what he wanted with it, regardless of who the opposition was. The goal against England in the Azteca was unreal given the standard of the opposition and the occasion. Hardly surprising that it was voted one of the goals of the century. Breathtaking.

Would be interested for you to tell me what games you watched Maradona play in mate
I saw him play:

v England at Wembley circa 1978/79 (dribbled past about 5 England players and put the ball about 6 inches past Clemence's post)
v Yugoslavia in Florence at Italia 90 (famously missed a penalty - boiling hot day in which the likes of Prosinecki played for Yugoslavia - before the break up of Yugoslavia into Croatia etc.)
for Barcelona v Man United at OT in 1982 (Bernd Schuster also played for Barca) and
for the ROW team at Wembley in the FA/FL centenary game

Immense just watching him kicking in before the game.
 
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When there was this what is to become I'm sure a famous shootout, the Dutch goalkeeper says he knew to which side the Costa Ricans would kick. I mean, gee, this is Costa Rica we're talking about, not one of the more well known powers from South America or Europe. Maybe they could have done that 20, 30 years ago but I doubt it. Maybe the goalkeeper was just talking but I think they made reference to knowing which way the taker of the penalty would go in the Netherlands/Argentina shootout too. In one of those, the goalkeeper had notes too I think.
 
It is a wall. The picture was taken just after a short freekick as the wall breaks.
Not sure what your point is marra. when did Messi for example take a free kick and be faced afterwards by the entire wall? Cant remember seeing that picture.
 
Not sure what your point is marra. when did Messi for example take a free kick and be faced afterwards by the entire wall? Cant remember seeing that picture.

The point is you were making out there were 10 people marking Maradona when it fact it was not the case

You are just one of these deluded fools stuck in the past and no matter what occured from 1990 onwards you were simply never admit anybody could be better than your precious idols of yesteryear
 
Not sure what your point is marra. when did Messi for example take a free kick and be faced afterwards by the entire wall? Cant remember seeing that picture.

That you implying he was brilliant because he took on the whole belgium team is wrong.
Don't get me wrong he was amazing but that picture is pointless.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/05/diego-maradona-belgium-famous-photo

But hey, why not:
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That you implying he was brilliant because he took on the whole belgium team is wrong.
Don't get me wrong he was amazing but that picture is pointless.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/05/diego-maradona-belgium-famous-photo

But hey, why not:
Thats not what I said. Read the post again marra.

The point is you were making out there were 10 people marking Maradona when it fact it was not the case

You are just one of these deluded fools stuck in the past and no matter what occured from 1990 onwards you were simply never admit anybody could be better than your precious idols of yesteryear
I have no idea why you lads are getting so precious about Messi. He simply wasnt better than either Maradona or Pele. Its fairly simple really. ATM its arguable that Ronaldo is on a par with Messi and Ronaldo is nowhere near Maradona or Pele class. Its an irrelevance what era players come from. Past or present it doesnt matter. I am fortunate enough to be able to base my opinion on having watched football since the mid 1960s and having seen some of the all time great players such as Maradona in action.
 
Thats not what I said. Read the post again marra.


I have no idea why you lads are getting so precious about Messi. He simply wasnt better than either Maradona or Pele. Its fairly simple really. ATM its arguable that Ronaldo is on a par with Messi and Ronaldo is nowhere near Maradona or Pele class. Its an irrelevance what era players come from. Past or present it doesnt matter. I am fortunate enough to be able to base my opinion on having watched football since the mid 1960s and having seen some of the all time great players such as Maradona in action.

Its not necessarily just about Messi. Every post you make in these threads turns you nose up at these modern day greats. World class footballers didnt stop getting made after 1990 you know. The facts are its simply impossible to say who the greatest ever is. I find it staggering who people like you can post with such authority about a blokes career in the 70' sand 80's when football games were simply hardly ever shown live. If Maradona and Pele came under the same scrutiny Messi and Ronaldo do now both would could under criticism for not keeping up the ridiculous high standards they set themselves

You post on these threads like the two of them never had bad games ffs
 
Its not necessarily just about Messi. Every post you make in these threads turns you nose up at these modern day greats. World class footballers didnt stop getting made after 1990 you know. The facts are its simply impossible to say who the greatest ever is. I find it staggering who people like you can post with such authority about a blokes career in the 70' sand 80's when football games were simply hardly ever shown live. If Maradona and Pele came under the same scrutiny Messi and Ronaldo do now both would could under criticism for not keeping up the ridiculous high standards they set themselves

You post on these threads like the two of them never had bad games ffs
I'm not turning my nose up at a modern day great. What I'm saying like a lot of others is that Messi so far is not a patch on Maradona or Pele. Of course the latter had poor games but when it really counted ie world cups they stepped up and won the tournaments for their teams.

As for scrutiny, there has been no footballer in history put under such scrutiny as say Maradona. He was still playing in the 1990's at the highest level. some of you are making out that he was only ever seen on grainy black and white 1950's TV's.
 
I'm not turning my nose up at a modern day great. What I'm saying like a lot of others is that Messi so far is not a patch on Maradona or Pele. Of course the latter had poor games but when it really counted ie world cups they stepped up and won the tournaments for their teams.

As for scrutiny, there has been no footballer in history put under such scrutiny as say Maradona. He was still playing in the 1990's at the highest level. some of you are making out that he was only ever seen on grainy black and white 1950's TV's.

How the fuck can you say that when games were never shown on tele then ffs? You could watch Messi and Ronaldo 60+ times a season if you liked now. Endless bits of brilliance, every fuck up, every good and bad game analyzed by endless tv replays, pundits and armchair experts. The great players of yesteryear never had that scrutiny on there game
 
Messi and Barça at their best had a symbiotic relationshiop - them both mutually enhancing their qualities. Argentina just don't have the playmakers to bring the best out of Messi - he can't make the passes and be there in time to receive them
And this is the reason why top players are additionally judged at international level. Because they are often surrounded by players that are not at the same level of quality as their club team mates and to see if they can still translate their club form onto the international stage in spite of that handicap.
 
Giussepe Meazza of the Italy team that won in the 1930s, Sirs Stanley Matthews and Tom Finney, Puskas, Di Stefano, Leonidas, some greats really go way back. I know Dixie Dean was a heckuva goal scorer.
 
Giussepe Meazza of the Italy team that won in the 1930s, Sirs Stanley Matthews and Tom Finney, Puskas, Di Stefano, Leonidas, some greats really go way back. I know Dixie Dean was a heckuva goal scorer.
Exactly, every generation has its greats and I remember my Grandad and Dad telling me about theirs. So far, of all the players I have seen. I prefer Maradona but It'd be great to see someone better come along and someone will eventually.
 
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