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I hope this stance is to tell sellers that we will not pay over the odds. It certainly does not match the 100 points philosophy.

I was also alarmed that Ross has identified that we didn't go up because of the defensive side of our game - doesn't sound like he wants to focus much on the attacking side of our game...
 
I hope this stance is to tell sellers that we will not pay over the odds. It certainly does not match the 100 points philosophy.

I was also alarmed that Ross has identified that we didn't go up because of the defensive side of our game - doesn't sound like he wants to focus much on the attacking side of our game...
Same problem Man U have had for years though. If the defence is shit you can't just bomb forward. Both need improving in fairness.
 
I get that mate but the logical thing to do was to get this sorted ASAP......but it seems as though far too much energy has been put into getting new investors on board. The squad is actually weaker just a month before the season starts and the same manager is essentially working with the same players yet we're expecting different results. Even worse he's talking about keeping more clean sheets as a priority.

I don't want to look as if I'm defending him but whilst we're a few players short from the end of last season barring Cattermole I don't think it's significantly weaker. In fact I think most who have gone were all pretty similar in terms of output to those who were here and having too many to choose from probably didn't help consistency in some areas as players were just dropped rather than trying to improve them and giving them the confidence to improve which the manager kept speaking of.

As for him commenting on clean sheets - he's absolutely correct. Whether that's him being too defensive or not we do need a dominant centre half and being more organised at the back, we conceded too many soft and easy goals and specifically we suffered defensively from the lack of mobility in midfield, which had us retract back in the last month of the season to a ridiculous amount, because that lack of mobility meant we were picked off too easily defensively when we committed men forward. The best teams are built on that, but it shouldn't be the main focus and he then goes onto mention strength and pace in the side too. Sorry but those things are the main things all of us are mentioning - a dominant centre half and strength and pace in the side elsewhere, especially going forward. Ross mentions that and he's being overly defensive :confused: I think people now are just reading what they want to read.

Also how can you get all this sorted ASAP when barring free transfers who's contracts ended at the end of June there's very little movement yet and things are just hotting up? The club have sorted the Cattermole situation out and we're obviously negotiating with players or arguing out fees with clubs given the speculation with one or two and it also looks like players like McGeouch have turned down Aberdeen. The club can't just wave a magic wand and sort it.
 
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Cos we're still paying it
Wouldn’t surprise me. I just can’t see what the benefit to the club was in paying up the last year of his contract and giving him a free transfer. We might as well have kept him and played him. Surely the reality is he took a reduced amount.
Why would we sign 5 players and have a squad of about 30 players it doesn't make any sense
I wouldn’t expect that tbh. We desperately need a new CB and some more creativity further up the pitch. That’s 2 key players we should be actively trying to sign regardless of squad size. It’s the 1 in/1 out policy I find frustrating.
 
It's really not. He's saying the players that are brought in need to fit the structure of the club. So be on reasonable wages for a currently League One club. That's still not saying finances are dictating sales. Squad size is dictating sales because he wants a small squad. That's been known for ages.

There really is nothing to see here other than the relief that Ross knows we need pace and strength adding to the team.
He’s actually quoted as saying one in one out. There’s a financial reason behind that
 
one problem last season was we needed numbers urgently and fast. of our CB's, Loovens (Free), Flannagon (Free), Baldwin (fee), Ozturk (Free) i think most of us would have been happy with that recruitment combining the experience and cost spent to get these guys in.

now we have them, we are looking to strengthen positions instead of just getting numbers in.

example with Connor McLaughin. last season we just needed numbers. this weve actively signed a player for that position specifically so we can test o'nien in midfield.

"Actively sined" a player out of contract....
Strategic thinking.....
 
Is this not just to avoid being stuck with a huge squad?

He just wants a stronger but more streamlined group to work with. Simple really.
Think the size of the squad actually hindered JR he didn't know his best team and constantly changed. Team was disjointed
 
so what happened to the ususal suspects on here who said getting rid of Catts could sign 5 league one players?

Ah so that was total bull shit

They keep mentioning cash flow though. Oviedo's wages will be eating into that, nomatter how much they protest how the club is in a strong financial position you cannot be paying players 40k a week at this level, it's more than ten times the average wage, allegedly 20 times I was reading earlier something about a 2k average at most clubs. The worrying part is that McGeady is likely to be on 25k or something similar.

the aim should not be to get our wage bill down to £2k a player like

It's amazing. People on here are becoming more and more precious, more and more angry at everything and just looking for the next thing to pounce on to slag off the owners.

Last summer we were happy to be rid of Short and a lot were happy at the new strategy of living within our means... it turns out we're not and falling short right at the end has caused everyone to have a mag style meltdown.

if the aim is to simply live within our means 100% then we are fucked

And that's the scary thing, we've got a thread dedicated to the mags and it's funny to watch them show themselves up over and over again by over reacting to everything and nowt, yet some of those pointing the finger are doing exactly the same thing on here..

:lol: mate

they are mid table in the premier league

we just finished 5th in league one and now have to sell before we can buy, despite just getting rid of one of our best players

the situations couldn't be more different
 
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the aim should not be to get our wage bill down to £2k a player like

I never said it was and it clearly isn't otherwise we wouldn't even be signing players like Conor McLaughlin who will likely be on more given his history and where he's came from. Just pointing out the no club in the world at this level could really cope with 40k a week in league one given the relevant finances.

As it stands even Donald said 5k was a good wage at this level and we'd been looking at 7.5k or so last season in some case, where Bain and co had offered some early targets in the region of 10k a week.

so what happened to the ususal suspects on here who said getting rid of Catts could sign 5 league one players?

Ah so that was total bull shit

Whoever said it would have been wrong straight away. There's no way he walked for free, he'll have been paid some kind of lump sum up front to make it attractive for him and a saving for us, then it also allows him to sign for another club and continue earning.
 
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I never said it was and it clearly isn't otherwise we wouldn't even be signing players like Conor McLaughlin who will likely be on more given his history and where he's came from. Just pointing out the no club in the world at this level could really cope with 40k a week in league one given the relevant finances.

As it stands even Donald said 5k was a good wage at this level and we'd been looking at 7.5k or so last season in some case, where Bain and co had offered some early targets in the region of 10k a week.

Well it didn't work, whatever they did,recruitment was horrendous
 
Well it didn't work, whatever they did,recruitment was horrendous

As usual you're mixing up two different things. In the instance of Lyle Taylor we actually offered more than Charlton. We also went out and signed players like McGeouch, McLaughlin, Grigg who were first choices and wanted by other clubs or highly rated.

Maybe the identification of targets was wrong, but we seemed to do ok in terms of the amount we were offering to major targets.
 
As usual you're mixing up two different things. In the instance of Lyle Taylor we actually offered more than Charlton. We also went out and signed players like McGeouch, McLaughlin, Grigg who were first choices and wanted by other clubs or highly rated.

Maybe the identification of targets was wrong, but we seemed to do ok in terms of the amount we were offering to major targets.

You seem a bit in denial like, lack the strategy last season was good and we did well, we didn't do well
 
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