Secret Footballer says players are running safc!


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The same crap was spouted about Cloughie in his early years. Deemed to be an unstable, egotistical tyrant and overbearing obsessive who wanted to run every aspect of the club, from the boardroom down to the tea ladies. He wasn't exactly popular. :lol:
Difference was then though mate that footballers at the top level weren't all millionaires which required different man management skills to get the best out of them.

Of course Clough had these but his methods would have been of no use to the modern day player...........

Ferguson now couldn't start in the same vein he only succeeded due to the respect he had down to the longevity of his career and the fact he had seen a far few players grow up in his time there.............
 
Aye but Clough knew a thing or 2 about putting a decent side out.

Forgetting the fact that PDC was a complete basket case, his team selection & tactics were shit.

As we'll probably never know how Di Canio would have turned out and he wasn't here five minutes I'm not attempting to compare their records, merely comparing their characters because one thing life has taught me that being eccentric, tyrannical, obsessive and outspoken is no barrier to success, in fact some would claim such traits can often prove to be advantageous.

Never mind though, I've nowt on so we'll crack on anyway. You're forgetting how long he was given to build his sides. For example he took Derby down a place in his first season and if memory serves it took him a couple of years to rebuild Forest. He "failed" at Leeds without Taylor so perhaps his presence was significant as criticising the players led to his downfall. There is another "parallel", we bottled it with Cloughie anarl.
 
Difference was then though mate that footballers at the top level weren't all millionaires which required different man management skills to get the best out of them.

Of course Clough had these but his methods would have been of no use to the modern day player...........

Ferguson now couldn't start in the same vein he only succeeded due to the respect he had down to the longevity of his career and the fact he had seen a far few players grow up in his time there.............

Ferguson even said that he had to completely adapt his approach as the "hairdryer" would never work with the modern day player. Although he was still more than capable of carrying a grudge with certain players like Rooney.
 
I accept that for many he would be difficult to work with. :D Clearly an obsessive and extremely demanding character and naive enough to expect the same level of commitment from everyone associated with the club. Obviously not everyone's cup of tea, even I can understand that, but as I've said before, I'd love to have played for him.

I'm with you on that.
 
Ferguson even said that he had to completely adapt his approach as the "hairdryer" would never work with the modern day player. Although he was still more than capable of carrying a grudge with certain players like Rooney.

I think if Ferguson was with us the hairdryer would have been given a dust and used in full effect!

No doubt he mellowed (slightly) over the years but only after he instilled a fear culture that remained to his final season. As you allude with Rooney but a number of stars with questionable commitment or attitude found out the hard way and were gone...Van Nistelrooy, Stam, Beckham, Keane etc.
 
Difference was then though mate that footballers at the top level weren't all millionaires which required different man management skills to get the best out of them.

Of course Clough had these but his methods would have been of no use to the modern day player...........

Ferguson now couldn't start in the same vein he only succeeded due to the respect he had down to the longevity of his career and the fact he had seen a far few players grow up in his time there.............

I fully understand what you're saying and accept it. Plus, as I've mentioned Cloughie had Taylor. I suppose what irks me is that we never got to find out. We pulled our usual and bottled it. The way I see it Di Canio just might have been another Clough type gaffer and transformed the fortunes of this club beyond recognition. Long odds I know given how successful and unique a person Clough was but nevertheless, he might have been and that slim chance was enough to reinvigorate my belief that one day we might find our own Clough or Shankly. I don't feel this about people like Bruce or Gus, never have. At best I feel they might have us scrabbling around mid table, same old shite week in week out, season after season, providing cannon fodder for the real players.

Have we all lost the belief that one day we just might do a Liverpool or Manchester United (Both of whom were in similar positions to us when I was a lad) or is it just me. :D
 
The same crap was spouted about Cloughie in his early years. Deemed to be an unstable, egotistical tyrant and overbearing obsessive who wanted to run every aspect of the club, from the boardroom down to the tea ladies. He wasn't exactly popular. :lol:

True. Same with Supermac at Newcastle.

One big difference with those type of players of course. They did what they were paid to do on the pitch. Currently look at Suarez. Might not want him as your next door neighbour but wouldn't mind him as our centre forward
 
I think if Ferguson was with us the hairdryer would have been given a dust and used in full effect!

No doubt he mellowed (slightly) over the years but only after he instilled a fear culture that remained to his final season. As you allude with Rooney but a number of stars with questionable commitment or attitude found out the hard way and were gone...Van Nistelrooy, Stam, Beckham, Keane etc.

That's what's required here. A big personality is what it takes to fully transform a club's fortunes. Plenty of managers out there will have enough talent to paddle a club around, a little "success" here, poor run of form there and then gone. In our position, to really do the business, you have to find a Shankly, a Ferguson or a Clough and back them and guess what, a lot of them are the type of personality some people just don't take to. Laying a solid foundation, a lasting base, will often involve pain and always takes time. How we'll ever square this one is beyond me.
 
Paolo was obviously perceptive but his obsessive methods were too much for our players. His public persona got in the way as much as his dictatorial ways. He is a flawed person in many negative ways. That said the obsessions of Guardiola and Klopp are positively turned into results and respect.

The experiment that was Paolo would have been an interesting one, the problem was at Sunderland the stakes were too high to play it through.

I have a belief that if he was backed 100% by the hierarchy he would have got the culture of the club right, tactically I'm not so sure....but that's harder to judge as the players didn't subscribe to his methodology. Poor lambs.

As a player I would have loved a gaffer that spelt out exactly what he wanted both in training and tactically - leaves no room for excuses. Apart from the "we don't like him Maggie" approach.
 
Amazing how the players are so often pissed up during the week, but very few pictures have appeared on Twitter and the like.

Don't doubt that there is a drinking culture at the club, but think The Secret Footballer is totally exaggerating their knowledge of it.

Agree with this. If they were out all the time in Newcastle or Sunderland I think some Sunderland/Mag fans would have caused a bit of bother with them by now anarl.
 
FFS Di Canio didn't get sacked because the players rebelled, he got sacked because the whole club rebelled.
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Aye but Clough knew a thing or 2 about putting a decent side out.

Forgetting the fact that PDC was a complete basket case, his team selection & tactics were shit.
I can't see how you could conclude that based on this season's five games with virtually a new team. Good grief Poyet has chopped and changed do much I'd like to know what you think of his?
 
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That's what's required here. A big personality is what it takes to fully transform a club's fortunes. Plenty of managers out there will have enough talent to paddle a club around, a little "success" here, poor run of form there and then gone. In our position, to really do the business, you have to find a Shankly, a Ferguson or a Clough and back them and guess what, a lot of them are the type of personality some people just don't take to. Laying a solid foundation, a lasting base, will often involve pain and always takes time. How we'll ever square this one is beyond me.

Too true. We definitely need a little bit a madness and a whole lot of patience build something worthwhile and with longevity.

I know its international football but the Belgian FA came up with a plan and said it would take 7 years to produce the talent necessary to be competitive in tournament football.

So firstly a huge shift in philosophy then wait 7 years and we'll be awesome!
 
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I can't see how you could conclude that based on this season's five games with virtually a new team. Good grief Poyet has chopped and changed do much I'd like to know what you think of his?
He was here last season as well, remember?

The side PDC put out at Palace this season was one of the worst I've seen, the insistance on playing 4-4-2 with inverted wingers, even if we have players like McClean who were completely 1 footed.
 
He was here last season as well, remember?

The side PDC put out at Palace this season was one of the worst I've seen, the insistance on playing 4-4-2 with inverted wingers, even if we have players like McClean who were completely 1 footed.
I take it that's two separate comments as it tends to read that we played with inverted wingers at Palace pointing out McCleans shortcomings when he had gone to Wigan then had he not ?
 
Has it ever crossed your mind that they aren't good enough?
They are.

There isn't many players in that squad we were disgusted with signing. It's only since they came here they were deemed shit. Ironically probably our best player this season was deemed shit before he even got between the sticks.

Said it once and I'll say it again, there is some underlying problem within the club off the pitch.
 
Too true. We definitely need a little bit a madness and a whole lot of patience build something worthwhile and with longevity.

I know its international football but the Belgian FA came up with a plan and said it would take 7 years to produce the talent necessary to be competitive in tournament football.

So firstly a huge shift in philosophy then wait 7 years and we'll be awesome!
I have witnessed the start of several (usually seven year) plans in my time. I haven't ever seen one last the course. They tend to concentrate on "the plan" as Short has been doing and the plan won't work if the football on pitch is way off course.
 
I'm struggling to see how Di Canio got it so right? We were worse under him than O'Neill and Poyet according to points averages, and performances in those games weren't any better either.

There's more questions than answers raised from this.

This Secret Footballer (Dave Kitson, is it?) will be known to current footballers, and they'll know when he's trashing them publicly like this, so why on Earth would they want to be around him knowing he'll be scurrying like a rat to write another blog slagging them off.

We simply don't know what goes on at the Training Ground, who has authority, how people perform and who causes trouble, and we don't know who drinks and how much.

Its madness to speculate. It doesn't do those speculating any good as it results in people getting their backs up and turning on players based on nothing but assumptions and it clearly doesn't benefit the club if this is the case.

We know what we're seeing isn't good enough, for whatever reason, but we simply have to rely on, and trust Poyet and the management at the club to put it right. It's no good basing strong opinions on speculation written on someone's blog.
 
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