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Voice of fair play said:
I agree and that is why I disagree with the snobbery which is the premier league,the senior league brought about their own downfall by refusing teams promotion into their league, which is exactly what the premier league does if a team does not fit their snobbery criteria.

It’s totally contradictory!!!
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In fairness, the Senior League refused to relegate teams who should have been, rather than fail to promote teams exclusively.

At least with the Premier League, if a club doesn't meet the promotion criteria then they go to the team who finished 2nd.
 

SAFC2403 said:
The same clubs exist now as did then, the only difference is the leagues they play in are named differently. having played in the coast league and now the DCL not much has changed imo. still have the same problems now as back then imo.

Talking of empire building the senior brought their downfall upon themselves remember.
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I don't agree with that the Senior League brought about their own downfall. It was an excellent league. Its management structure rightly sought to support the CLUBS. It was one of the best leagues in the country for over 100 years and was brought down by empire builders who didn't give a damn about club cricket.

YES WE GYAN said:
In fairness, the Senior League refused to relegate teams who should have been, rather than fail to promote teams exclusively.

At least with the Premier League, if a club doesn't meet the promotion criteria then they go to the team who finished 2nd.
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Yes they did because they weren't prepared to see clubs that have existed for years like Seaham Harbour and Durham City go to the wall. They cared about their members.
Over the last 50 years only North Durham and Wearmouth had to fold. Compare that to what's happening now.
 
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wicketkeeper said:
Yes they did because they weren't prepared to see clubs that have existed for years like Seaham Harbour and Durham City go to the wall. They cared about their members.
Over the last 50 years only North Durham and Wearmouth had to fold. Compare that to what's happening now.
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In the 2 years before the NEPL was formed (98-99), 8 NE clubs folded. This from the Senior League's own history page:

"1999.Wearmouth resign from the League before the start of the 1999 season, citing shortage of players as the reason. This was the eighth club in the North-East to go under for the same reason during the last 12 months."

wicketkeeper said:
Felling, South Hetton, Hetton Lyons, Marsden are just some of the clubs who were accepted into the league in the last 20 years. So not that exclusive.
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They blocked the likes of Ryhope, Hetton, Houghton joining for years while the going was good. All of those teams would have been competitive at the top at one time or another. They only admitted teams when teams left to join the NEPL.

Incidentally, I'd suggest that none of the teams who left the Senior League to join the NEPL regret that decision.
 
YES WE GYAN said:
In the 2 years before the NEPL was formed (98-99), 8 NE clubs folded. This from the Senior League's own history page:

"1999.Wearmouth resign from the League before the start of the 1999 season, citing shortage of players as the reason. This was the eighth club in the North-East to go under for the same reason during the last 12 months."


They blocked the likes of Ryhope, Hetton, Houghton joining for years while the going was good. All of those teams would have been competitive at the top at one time or another. They only admitted teams when teams left to join the NEPL.

Incidentally, I'd suggest that none of the teams who left the Senior League to join the NEPL regret that decision.
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8 NE clubs not 8 Senior League clubs.
I repeat only 2 clubs in the last 30 years folded in the Senior League-,North Durham and Wearmouth.

They did not 'block' those teams they just didn't have the spaces and were not prepared to kick their own teams out. Like I said they looked after their clubs.
I know for a fact that Senior league teams who left to join the Premier league in 1999 regretted that decision.
An excellent league was destroyed by sycophants only interested in ingratiating themselves with the County.
 
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wicketkeeper said:
I repeat only 2 clubs in the last 30 years folded in the Senior League-,North Durham and Wearmouth.
I know for a fact that Senior league teams who left to join the Premier league in 2000 regretted that decision.
An excellent league was destroyed by sycophants only interested in ingratiating themselves with the County.
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And bar South Hetton asking for themselves to be relegated, no NEPL clubs have folded in the 20 years since.

Durham Academy obviously don't regret leaving, I know for a fact Sunderland don't, and since CLS have gone from strength to strength I'm guessing you must know G.Fell better than I do?

A deteriorating league destroyed by a management committee only interested in themselves.
 
YES WE GYAN said:
And bar South Hetton asking for themselves to be relegated, no NEPL clubs have folded in the 20 years since.

Durham Academy obviously don't regret leaving, I know for a fact Sunderland don't, and since CLS have gone from strength to strength I'm guessing you must know G.Fell better than I do?

A deteriorating league destroyed by a management committee only interested in themselves.
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Durham Academy were the main problem. ( I note they cant be relegated)
Sunderland are a shadow of the club that won the Senior league 3 times in the 70s and struggle to turn teams out.
Chester went from a local team to a team of mercenaries - like most premier league teams.
Even in the 80s hundreds were turning out to watch Parry,Raja,Cairns ,Richardson,Adams etc.
Local clubs supported by their village. The only people who watch premier league games are here today gone tomorrow parents with no loyalty.
I repeat an excellent league spoilt by sycophants who have hastened the end of north east cricket.
 
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The Durham Senior league did not kick up a fuss when Marsden finished bottom, who were royally screwed by being made to go into the County League as opposed to their "league of choice" the Coast League.
The Senior league did contest Seaham Harbour's relegation but, ultimately, they went into the Coast league.
The "big fuss" occurred when Durham City and Philadelpia were the bottom 2 teams as the season got near to its conclusion.
The Senior league refused to relegate one of its "traditional" clubs.
Utter hypocrisy from the way they treated Marsden and, to some extent, Seaham Harbour.
 
wicketkeeper said:
Durham Academy were the main problem. ( I note they cant be relegated)
Sunderland are a shadow of the team that won the Senior league 3 times in the 70s and struggle to turn teams out.
Chester went from a local team to a team of mercenaries - like most premier league teams.
Even in the 80s hundreds were turning out to watch Parry,Raja,Cairns ,Richardson etc.
Local clubs supported by their village. The only people who watch premier league games are here today gone tomorrow parents with no loyalty.
I repeat an excellent league spoilt by sycophants who have hastened the end of north east cricket.
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All of those things would have happened, with or without the senior league being around.

Professional cricket being played all year round makes it impossible for any club to sign International or even established domestic overseas players. Getting juniors away from playstations and into cricket would have been a problem either way, and even the Senior League had long had the system of paying local players in place before it's demise.

It's alright harking back to the glory days of the Senior League, but the league was a shadow of that for years towards it's end.
 
YES WE GYAN said:
All of those things would have happened, with or without the senior league being around.

Professional cricket being played all year round makes it impossible for any club to sign International or even established domestic overseas players. Getting juniors away from playstations and into cricket would have been a problem either way, and even the Senior League had long had the system of paying local players in place before it's demise.

It's alright harking back to the glory days of the Senior League, but the league was a shadow of that for years towards it's end.
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Yes the senior league did play local players. But the likes of Burnmoor and Horden who won the senior league the most after the premier league began were made up of predominantly local.players. How many Chester and South Northumberland players come from there.?
Teams regularly had brothers,fathers,sons playing in the same team. The premier league has destroyed the club atmosphere

Sir Talbot Buxomley said:
I thought Wearmouth dropped out and joined the North East Durham League ( where they still are )........they didn't go to the wall.
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Not immediately they came back after a while.

badger55 said:
The Durham Senior league did not kick up a fuss when Marsden finished bottom, who were royally screwed by being made to go into the County League as opposed to their "league of choice" the Coast League.
The Senior league did contest Seaham Harbour's relegation but, ultimately, they went into the Coast league.
The "big fuss" occurred when Durham City and Philadelpia were the bottom 2 teams as the season got near to its conclusion.
The Senior league refused to relegate one of its "traditional" clubs.
Utter hypocrisy from the way they treated Marsden and, to some extent, Seaham Harbour.
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I think those relegations and particularly the Seaham Harbour one strengthened the Leagues resolve that they were not going to relegate their teams again. I for one don't blame them . I am not a lover of Phili or Durham but both had excellent histories winning the league many times and providing many players for Durham when they were a minor county.
 
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YES WE GYAN said:
In fairness, the Senior League refused to relegate teams who should have been, rather than fail to promote teams exclusively.

At least with the Premier League, if a club doesn't meet the promotion criteria then they go to the team who finished 2nd.
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The whole point is it is just a local cricket league that’s all it is!!!

I find the whole criteria thing laughable tbh just to promote a local cricket club.

You have people coming out to inspect clubs, and other clubs calling coaches director,director of this director of that!!

The point is the senior league were wrong to stop a team progressing and so are the Premier League.

It’s hard enough for local clubs to run teams nowadays without putting unnecessary barriers in place.
 
wicketkeeper said:
I think those relegations and particularly the Seaham Harbour one strengthened the Leagues resolve that they were not going to relegate their teams again. I for one don't blame them . I am not a lover of Phili or Durham but both had excellent histories winning the league many times and providing many players for Durham when they were a minor county.
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Sure we've been at this before but what the actual fuck has history got to do with anything? The Senior league signed up to the first instance of the pyramid then broke it as it didnt meet with its agenda, they more than anything contributed to its own downfall. Saying a club shouldnt be relegated because they have a "excellent history" is quite frankly a load of bollocks.
 
SAFC2403 said:
Sure we've been at this before but what the actual fuck has history got to do with anything? The Senior league signed up to the first instance of the pyramid then broke it as it didnt meet with its agenda, they more than anything contributed to its own downfall. Saying a club shouldnt be relegated because they have a "excellent history" is quite frankly a load of bollocks.
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We are talking about local cricket with volunteers not bloody premiership football.
The pyramid didn't suit the agenda of the senior league because it cared for its clubs
As opposed to those who ruined the league who quite frankly didn't give a shit about club cricket..
 
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wicketkeeper said:
I don't agree with that the Senior League brought about their own downfall. It was an excellent league. Its management structure rightly sought to support the CLUBS. It was one of the best leagues in the country for over 100 years and was brought down by empire builders who didn't give a damn about club cricket.



Yes they did because they weren't prepared to see clubs that have existed for years like Seaham Harbour and Durham City go to the wall. They cared about their members.
Over the last 50 years only North Durham and Wearmouth had to fold. Compare that to what's happening now.
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What a total pile of shite you talk. You certainly have a short memory and are wearing blinkers.

The Senior League relegated Seaham Harbour to the Durham Coast League but refused to relegate Durham City. I was at the meeting at Durham City when the Senior League decided not to relegate City and attempted to set up a 2nd Division within the Senior League. They were so full of themselves the even named the Coast League teams that would join them.

The Premier League responded by setting up their own 2nd Division.
 
The current system works well. The region is served by 12 top teams who represent the whole of the north east. Ideally, you'd have the Durham clubs in the NYSD in the NEPL. Maybe in time that will happen. And on an earlier point, who really gives a monkey's if facilities are average, as long as the match is of a high standard. It's not as if we're all living and working in palaces, as players, we dump our gear in the changing room and get out on to the outfield. My local club, Hetton Lyons, tried for years to get into the DSL and here they are today one of the best we have. That would never have happened without the pyramid system.
 
We seem to be going over old ground yet again.

The NEPL are an FTECB sponsored league.

To receive this financial sponsorship they have to comply to the FTECB memorandum of understanding (criteria to you and me). They then distribute the financial sponsorship to all clubs except Durham Academy.

To maintain their Premier League status they MUST ensure these standards are improved or reached.
 
Former Player said:
We seem to be going over old ground yet again.

The NEPL are an FTECB sponsored league.

To receive this financial sponsorship they have to comply to the FTECB memorandum of understanding (criteria to you and me). They then distribute the financial sponsorship to all clubs except Durham Academy.

To maintain their Premier League status they MUST ensure these standards are improved or reached.
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Well put sir
 
Former Player said:
What a total pile of shite you talk. You certainly have a short memory and are wearing blinkers.

The Senior League relegated Seaham Harbour to the Durham Coast League but refused to relegate Durham City. I was at the meeting at Durham City when the Senior League decided not to relegate City and attempted to set up a 2nd Division within the Senior League. They were so full of themselves the even named the Coast League teams that would join them.

The Premier League responded by setting up their own 2nd Division.
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BUT durham city have an excellent history therefore didnt deserve to get relegated :neutral: Utter bollocks imo.

People trying to rewrite history to make the senior league look better than they were - they thought their league was bigger than everyone else. Their arrogance was their downfall.
 
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