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Scott Borthwick

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I think people are right about his bowling but that isn't an issue

For me he is one of the best batters in the county game, no doubt about it, consistently scoring runs every week. Look at the record over the last few years, Lyth doesn't have much more than him, and he doesn't play on Riverside pictures

It annoys me he is getting no recognition in the press, he should be in serious consideration for an England place if he delivers another season here.

The likes of Vince seem to get praise left right and centre, and Taylor, but Scotty seems a better bet at the 4 day stuff.

Pure class, very good to watch.
 

What about rushy?
He's been excellent the last couple seasons now.
I know he's not the quickest and England want 90mph+ lads but he can't do a great deal more than he's doing.
 
johnson said:
I think people are right about his bowling but that isn't an issue

For me he is one of the best batters in the county game, no doubt about it, consistently scoring runs every week. Look at the record over the last few years, Lyth doesn't have much more than him, and he doesn't play on Riverside pictures

It annoys me he is getting no recognition in the press, he should be in serious consideration for an England place if he delivers another season here.

The likes of Vince seem to get praise left right and centre, and Taylor, but Scotty seems a better bet at the 4 day stuff.

Pure class, very good to watch.
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Lyth got a ton at the Riverside last season ;)
 
smoker said:
Lyth got a ton at the Riverside last season ;)
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Just think scott should be up there!

My mate has asked george dobell the journalist, who is very well connected, to ask if he is even in consideration, and he's getting back to him.

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don't think ali is that good in honesty root could open we have options
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Root should never ever ever open again, I honestly question the sanity of anyone who suggests this!
 
Borthwick has hardly been ignored by the England selectors, he has already been capped by England in test and one day cricket. He has also been on numerous A tours and been fixed up with winter gigs abroad by the ECB in Australia and Sri Lanka.
No matter where Scott plays his domestic cricket, with the counties playing a third of the championship cricket before the end of May he is unlikely to see much bowling but that problem is even more acute at Durham where the wickets are made for accurate medium pacers through out the season. Even when Durham play on a wicket that takes spin they play another spinner in the side be it Breese, Buckley or Pringle who usually bowls first.
Borthwick can still play for England but as it stands it is going to have to be as a batsmen and that makes it more difficult for him to force his way in the side.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
No matter where Scott plays his domestic cricket, with the counties playing a third of the championship cricket before the end of May he is unlikely to see much bowling but that problem is even more acute at Durham where the wickets are made for accurate medium pacers through out the season. Even when Durham play on a wicket that takes spin they play another spinner in the side be it Breese, Buckley or Pringle who usually bowls first.
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When we played Yorkshire at the Riverside last May, Rashid bowled 37 overs and took 4 wickets.

They also gave Kane Williamson 13 overs and he took one wicket.

We utilised seven bowlers, including Stoneman for 20 overs of off-spin (no wickets).

Borthwick did not bowl.

Now I don't know if the lad was carrying a knock, but this does kind of make a mockery of the unfavourable pitches excuse: a good spinner should be capable of bowling in all conditions.

As previously mentioned, he barely bowled a ball in Sri Lanka. Most thought he was going out there for exactly that.

I get the impression he has decided bowling isn't worth bothering with.
 
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When we played Yorkshire at the Riverside last May, Rashid bowled 37 overs and took 4 wickets.

They also gave Kane Williamson 13 overs and he took one wicket.

We utilised seven bowlers, including Stoneman for 20 overs of off-spin (no wickets).

Borthwick did not bowl.

Now I don't know if the lad was carrying a knock, but this does kind of make a mockery of the unfavourable pitches excuse: a good spinner should be capable of bowling in all conditions.

As previously mentioned, he barely bowled a ball in Sri Lanka. Most thought he was going out there for exactly that.

I get the impression he has decided bowling isn't worth bothering with.
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I have a vague memory of him having an injury for part of last season ... I know it's been said that he also picked up an injury in SL.

I wouldn't give up on his bowling yet ... he just needs to get a bit more control over length. As far as variations go I know he has a googly, I say him take a couple of wicket last season with he ball going the wrong way.
 
smoker said:
When we played Yorkshire at the Riverside last May, Rashid bowled 37 overs and took 4 wickets.

They also gave Kane Williamson 13 overs and he took one wicket.

We utilised seven bowlers, including Stoneman for 20 overs of off-spin (no wickets).

Borthwick did not bowl.
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if you honestly think rocky would bowl 20 overs head of borthwick you must be a bit soft in the head like :lol::lol:

scotty cracked his finger catching in the slips and couldnt bowl for quite a few games. did that twice last season.
 
If Durham did actually start giving him overs, and we lost a few games, people on here would be in uproar asking why Rushworth isn't back on to roll through a side.

On the other hand if he leaves to find a county who will give him overs and a slot in the top order, people on here would be in uproar over such disloyalty.

I feel for the lad in a way. He is a lovely young bloke and at a very interesting crossroads in his career. I certainly wouldn't begrudge him moving on to somewhere he could get more overs under his belt.
 
Not so sure that there is another county that would bowl him more regularly. He'd have to go to an established 1st division County and consider his options,Yorkies already have Rashid, Notts have Samit Patel, Warks Jeetan Patel and these are all used as containing bowlers. That leaves Sussex which is a seamer' s paradise like the Riverside. Scott is now an established quality batsman. He needs to score a volume of runs that the selectors can't ignore him. Offering his leg spin option puts him above other competitors. And there are vacancies- Cook, Trott and Bell's form is far from convincing.
 
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Not so sure that there is another county that would bowl him more regularly. He'd have to go to an established 1st division County and consider his options,Yorkies already have Rashid, Notts have Samit Patel, Warks Jeetan Patel and these are all used as containing bowlers. That leaves Sussex which is a seamer' s paradise like the Riverside. Scott is now an established quality batsman. He needs to score a volume of runs that the selectors can't ignore him. Offering his leg spin option puts him above other competitors. And there are vacancies- Cook, Trott and Bell's form is far from convincing.
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Cook won't be dropped, as he wont be stripped of the captaincy. Not before the Ashes at least.

Trott, you have a point. However, if they would consider dropping Trott for anyone; it would be one of those in the West Indies at the moment.

Bell, again won't (or shouldn't IMO) be dropped. A class act who goes through spells of poor form. Like all/most players to be honest.

Then you have Root and Ballance, both making themselves undroppable. Still lingering questions over Ali (short ball) and Stokes (temperament) if we are being honest. Could easily end up with Borthwick replacing Stokes, with England going for 3 seamers - Broad, Anderson then one of Jordan/Finn/Woakes/whoever - and using 2 part time spin. Particularly at home. The logical choice is Ali, but I think England will persist with him.
 
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Not so sure that there is another county that would bowl him more regularly. He'd have to go to an established 1st division County and consider his options,Yorkies already have Rashid, Notts have Samit Patel, Warks Jeetan Patel and these are all used as containing bowlers. That leaves Sussex which is a seamer' s paradise like the Riverside. Scott is now an established quality batsman. He needs to score a volume of runs that the selectors can't ignore him. Offering his leg spin option puts him above other competitors. And there are vacancies- Cook, Trott and Bell's form is far from convincing.
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I think that is probably the conclusion Borthwick came to as well. When the rumours where going around last season about him not signing a contract i could only see 2 counties in the 1st division where he may get a decent bowl and that was Sussex and Middlesex. But he would have still have had the problem that would the captain trust him to be the premier spinner in the side and no matter which county he was playing for he would still be playing a third of the season before the end of May. With the counties wanting to play mostly one day cricket in the height of summer it is making it very difficult for the domestic game to produce spinners. As we can see now there is not a quailty English spinner in the county game.
 
Aleem Dar said:
Cook won't be dropped, as he wont be stripped of the captaincy. Not before the Ashes at least.

Trott, you have a point. However, if they would consider dropping Trott for anyone; it would be one of those in the West Indies at the moment.

Bell, again won't (or shouldn't IMO) be dropped. A class act who goes through spells of poor form. Like all/most players to be honest.

Then you have Root and Ballance, both making themselves undroppable. Still lingering questions over Ali (short ball) and Stokes (temperament) if we are being honest. Could easily end up with Borthwick replacing Stokes, with England going for 3 seamers - Broad, Anderson then one of Jordan/Finn/Woakes/whoever - and using 2 part time spin. Particularly at home. The logical choice is Ali, but I think England will persist with him.
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Agree with much of your argument although Bell rarely if ever turns up in real pressure situations but my point was that Scott's not going to improve his England chances by moving-unless he went to Middlesex,of course.
 
Parkside said:
Agree with much of your argument although Bell rarely if ever turns up in real pressure situations but my point was that Scott's not going to improve his England chances by moving-unless he went to Middlesex,of course.
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Or Yorkshire. Or Lancashire!

It's a fair point really.
 
smoker said:
When we played Yorkshire at the Riverside last May, Rashid bowled 37 overs and took 4 wickets.

They also gave Kane Williamson 13 overs and he took one wicket.

We utilised seven bowlers, including Stoneman for 20 overs of off-spin (no wickets).

Borthwick did not bowl.

Now I don't know if the lad was carrying a knock, but this does kind of make a mockery of the unfavourable pitches excuse: a good spinner should be capable of bowling in all conditions.

As previously mentioned, he barely bowled a ball in Sri Lanka. Most thought he was going out there for exactly that.

I get the impression he has decided bowling isn't worth bothering with.
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He didn't bowl much last summer because he chipped a bone twice in the same finger, which was on his bowling hand.

He is still Durham's main spinner, the truth is we have such a good pace attack, and bowl teams out twice with ease that he isn't needed as much.

I don't think its a big issue, I don't think there are many better batsmen in the country, I really think he is that good

Parkside said:
Agree with much of your argument although Bell rarely if ever turns up in real pressure situations but my point was that Scott's not going to improve his England chances by moving-unless he went to Middlesex,of course.
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:lol:

f***ing hell mate.

He basically won the ashes in 2013

You are so wrong there its untrue.
 
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f***ing hell mate.

He basically won the ashes in 2013

You are so wrong there its untrue.[/QUOTE]
Averaging 62 is good but it's hardly "basically winning the Ashes". He followed it up by averaging 26 in Australia-in real pressure situations.
 
Parkside said:
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f***ing hell mate.

He basically won the ashes in 2013

You are so wrong there its untrue.
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Averaging 62 is good but it's hardly "basically winning the Ashes". He followed it up by averaging 26 in Australia-in real pressure situations.[/QUOTE]

Did you actually watch the series

He was the difference between the sides

Some people have crazy agendas like, his record speaks for itself
 
johnson said:
Averaging 62 is good but it's hardly "basically winning the Ashes". He followed it up by averaging 26 in Australia-in real pressure situations.
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Did you actually watch the series

He was the difference between the sides

Some people have crazy agendas like, his record speaks for itself[/QUOTE]

Parkside said:
Did you actually watch the series?

He was the difference between the sides

Some people have crazy agendas like, his record speaks for itself
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Bell played well but others made significant contributions.
 
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