Save Seaburn

Lonz said:
Where exactly are the new houses being built in Seaburn? Website gives the postcode SR6 8AZ, but that's already got houses on?
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Nowhere now mate.
I'm Spartacus said:
I hope they don’t as the area is f***ing desperate for development but I can see the usual suspects scrutinising the minutia of every proposal looking to derail it out of sheer spite. To be honest I’m f***ing sick of the twats, I’ve unfollowed most of the local groups because of their constant spamming. There’s one that seems to have escaped so I still go on that.
Once this is resolved one way or the other I hope they chill the fuck out for their sakes as this level of obsession cant be healthy.
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Tbf sounds like they have a valid point if not for the right reasons.
I would also add there is groups like this all over the country and what drives them is same thing that has driven this group to turn every stone to have their way no matter the cost.
The piss taking and name calling.
 
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Why has the recent Planning application from Miller Homes been deferred? What is wrong with the Sewage & Drainage system?
'The proposed flows from The Miller Homes development will go into a foul sewage system which does not have any more capacity to take them.
When the initial Planning Permission was granted, concerns where already raised by residents and industry experts that the proposed foul sewage overflows would flow into the Storm System. The Flood Authority and Northumbrian Water were wrong yet documents in the planning application suggest that we must take everything Northumbrian Water and the Flood Authority say for granted. Even if they say that the new scheme will not enter the storm system. This shows a complete misunderstanding by Norththumbrian Water and the Flood Authority of the system as connecting manhole 6702 to manhole 5610 is completely unacceptable.
The fact is that using manhole 4802 (as suggested in the planning application) to then flow through other manholes into the inadequate sewage system which then floods and surcharges (as Norththumbrian Water have admitted) means that sewage will again backup and eventually flow into the storm water tunnel through manholes 6702 to 5610 and to 5609.
Miller Homes’ development is going to add 3 litres per second to the system, which is actually a large amount when you realise that normal dry weather flow from the whole of Whitburn and South Bents is 19 litres per second.
The Public Inquiry into the system in 2001 created a Consent for the Storm Tunnel which discharges to sea at Whitburn. This Consent still remains valid today as do the figures submitted to that Inquiry (confirmed by Northumbrian Water and the Environmental Agency). The Consent allows flows into the tunnel from only 3 sources –Whitburn Bents CSO, Seaburn CSO (Dykelands Road) and Roker CSO- the new overflow created at Seaburn Camp (manholes 5610 to 5609) does not have consent. The Consent also only allows flows into the tunnel in times of heavy rainfall or snowmelt, not just an overflow to take pressure off the system. Since the Inquiry, over 450 houses have been added to the system and a further 160 houses added at Whitburn and the Bay hotel site.
The Storm Tunnel supposedly only receives flows in heavy rainfall yet last year (2018), one of the driest years in our area, it discharged over 370000 tonnes to sea in 10 months. This is after spending 10 million pound of public money on the system….
In addition, the pumping station at Whitburn has so called ‘Return Pumps’ which are now being used to pump sewage back to the sewer from the tunnel. These operated every day in 2018. An example of this is that from 20 June 2018 to 7 July 2018, when there was no rainfall, 2410 cubic metres was ‘returned’. This is the equivalent of 5 road tankers every day spilling foul sewage into the Storm Tunnel.
The only possible source for these flows is from the overloaded sewage system. After circulating, any flows that are too great for the treatment plant, will end up as discharges to sea (370000 cubic metres in one year) or as discharges into the River Wear at St. Peters.
There is simply no capacity in the current system to take on any new developments in the area. It is therefor vital to get an ‘independent’ survey done and make sure Northumbrian Water makes vital changes and updates to their system in our area.
Regeneration of the area is welcomed by all and most of us will agree that some new housing developments, alongside plenty seafront leisure, is crucial to the regeneration. But before any dvelopments start, an adequate sewage and drainage system is required to avoid an environmental crisis.
With the current system, the health and wellbeing of our children and grandchildren is at risk.'
 
MattyW said:
Why has the recent Planning application from Miller Homes been deferred? What is wrong with the Sewage & Drainage system?
'The proposed flows from The Miller Homes development will go into a foul sewage system which does not have any more capacity to take them.
When the initial Planning Permission was granted, concerns where already raised by residents and industry experts that the proposed foul sewage overflows would flow into the Storm System. The Flood Authority and Northumbrian Water were wrong yet documents in the planning application suggest that we must take everything Northumbrian Water and the Flood Authority say for granted. Even if they say that the new scheme will not enter the storm system. This shows a complete misunderstanding by Norththumbrian Water and the Flood Authority of the system as connecting manhole 6702 to manhole 5610 is completely unacceptable.
The fact is that using manhole 4802 (as suggested in the planning application) to then flow through other manholes into the inadequate sewage system which then floods and surcharges (as Norththumbrian Water have admitted) means that sewage will again backup and eventually flow into the storm water tunnel through manholes 6702 to 5610 and to 5609.
Miller Homes’ development is going to add 3 litres per second to the system, which is actually a large amount when you realise that normal dry weather flow from the whole of Whitburn and South Bents is 19 litres per second.
The Public Inquiry into the system in 2001 created a Consent for the Storm Tunnel which discharges to sea at Whitburn. This Consent still remains valid today as do the figures submitted to that Inquiry (confirmed by Northumbrian Water and the Environmental Agency). The Consent allows flows into the tunnel from only 3 sources –Whitburn Bents CSO, Seaburn CSO (Dykelands Road) and Roker CSO- the new overflow created at Seaburn Camp (manholes 5610 to 5609) does not have consent. The Consent also only allows flows into the tunnel in times of heavy rainfall or snowmelt, not just an overflow to take pressure off the system. Since the Inquiry, over 450 houses have been added to the system and a further 160 houses added at Whitburn and the Bay hotel site.
The Storm Tunnel supposedly only receives flows in heavy rainfall yet last year (2018), one of the driest years in our area, it discharged over 370000 tonnes to sea in 10 months. This is after spending 10 million pound of public money on the system….
In addition, the pumping station at Whitburn has so called ‘Return Pumps’ which are now being used to pump sewage back to the sewer from the tunnel. These operated every day in 2018. An example of this is that from 20 June 2018 to 7 July 2018, when there was no rainfall, 2410 cubic metres was ‘returned’. This is the equivalent of 5 road tankers every day spilling foul sewage into the Storm Tunnel.
The only possible source for these flows is from the overloaded sewage system. After circulating, any flows that are too great for the treatment plant, will end up as discharges to sea (370000 cubic metres in one year) or as discharges into the River Wear at St. Peters.
There is simply no capacity in the current system to take on any new developments in the area. It is therefor vital to get an ‘independent’ survey done and make sure Northumbrian Water makes vital changes and updates to their system in our area.
Regeneration of the area is welcomed by all and most of us will agree that some new housing developments, alongside plenty seafront leisure, is crucial to the regeneration. But before any dvelopments start, an adequate sewage and drainage system is required to avoid an environmental crisis.
With the current system, the health and wellbeing of our children and grandchildren is at risk.'
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Sr6 using buckets is nailed on through this.
 
MattyW said:
Why has the recent Planning application from Miller Homes been deferred? What is wrong with the Sewage & Drainage system?
'The proposed flows from The Miller Homes development will go into a foul sewage system which does not have any more capacity to take them.
When the initial Planning Permission was granted, concerns where already raised by residents and industry experts that the proposed foul sewage overflows would flow into the Storm System. The Flood Authority and Northumbrian Water were wrong yet documents in the planning application suggest that we must take everything Northumbrian Water and the Flood Authority say for granted. Even if they say that the new scheme will not enter the storm system. This shows a complete misunderstanding by Norththumbrian Water and the Flood Authority of the system as connecting manhole 6702 to manhole 5610 is completely unacceptable.
The fact is that using manhole 4802 (as suggested in the planning application) to then flow through other manholes into the inadequate sewage system which then floods and surcharges (as Norththumbrian Water have admitted) means that sewage will again backup and eventually flow into the storm water tunnel through manholes 6702 to 5610 and to 5609.
Miller Homes’ development is going to add 3 litres per second to the system, which is actually a large amount when you realise that normal dry weather flow from the whole of Whitburn and South Bents is 19 litres per second.
The Public Inquiry into the system in 2001 created a Consent for the Storm Tunnel which discharges to sea at Whitburn. This Consent still remains valid today as do the figures submitted to that Inquiry (confirmed by Northumbrian Water and the Environmental Agency). The Consent allows flows into the tunnel from only 3 sources –Whitburn Bents CSO, Seaburn CSO (Dykelands Road) and Roker CSO- the new overflow created at Seaburn Camp (manholes 5610 to 5609) does not have consent. The Consent also only allows flows into the tunnel in times of heavy rainfall or snowmelt, not just an overflow to take pressure off the system. Since the Inquiry, over 450 houses have been added to the system and a further 160 houses added at Whitburn and the Bay hotel site.
The Storm Tunnel supposedly only receives flows in heavy rainfall yet last year (2018), one of the driest years in our area, it discharged over 370000 tonnes to sea in 10 months. This is after spending 10 million pound of public money on the system….
In addition, the pumping station at Whitburn has so called ‘Return Pumps’ which are now being used to pump sewage back to the sewer from the tunnel. These operated every day in 2018. An example of this is that from 20 June 2018 to 7 July 2018, when there was no rainfall, 2410 cubic metres was ‘returned’. This is the equivalent of 5 road tankers every day spilling foul sewage into the Storm Tunnel.
The only possible source for these flows is from the overloaded sewage system. After circulating, any flows that are too great for the treatment plant, will end up as discharges to sea (370000 cubic metres in one year) or as discharges into the River Wear at St. Peters.
There is simply no capacity in the current system to take on any new developments in the area. It is therefor vital to get an ‘independent’ survey done and make sure Northumbrian Water makes vital changes and updates to their system in our area.
Regeneration of the area is welcomed by all and most of us will agree that some new housing developments, alongside plenty seafront leisure, is crucial to the regeneration. But before any dvelopments start, an adequate sewage and drainage system is required to avoid an environmental crisis.
With the current system, the health and wellbeing of our children and grandchildren is at risk.'
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Well if your analysis is correct then well done on forcing Northumbrian waters arm to improve the system.

The houses will still go ahead and hopefully with better shit pipes.

I just hope this doesn't delay things too much as these houses are badly needed.
 
MattyW said:
another victory... Siglion, Miller Homes, Northumbrian Water
Well done SaveSeaburn
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Well done save Seaburn. We know how much the beach means to the resident sr6 dwellers. It would have been a nightmare for them with raw sewage all over the shop adding to the already existing dog shite problems.
 
Bob Fleming said:
Well if your analysis is correct then well done on forcing Northumbrian waters arm to improve the system.

The houses will still go ahead and hopefully with better shit pipes.

I just hope this doesn't delay things too much as these houses are badly needed.
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These houses are not badly needed
Nice to have for some but not badly needed
There are houses on sea fields that have been for sale for years
 

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