Save Doxfords West Gateway

Discussion in 'SMB' started by moshpit, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. moshpit

    moshpit Winger

    The people of Sunderland rarely care about anything until it is foisted upon them....the fact is we should have never been in a position where we are down to literally the very last building from such a pivotal part of our history.

    People have the nerve to call me negative, just sign the petition and help preserve a tiny piece of our proud history man.

    No you're not being funny, you are being an absolute fucking helmet for no good reason. If this was anywhere else but Sunderland it wouldnt even have got to this sad state of affairs.

    Dont criticise the people who are trying to preserve a small piece of our history....criticise the people rhat have allowed things to get this way.
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2017
  2. Mackem00

    Mackem00 Striker

    How am I being a helmet?
  3. Bob Fleming

    Bob Fleming Striker

    No, I don't feel we need to keep the whole building. The arches and gates will be enough. I do not want any council money to be spent on any more than that. If donations can raise enough to fully fund it and some land outside of the city centre can be found then I'm happy for it.
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  4. moshpit

    moshpit Winger

    Fair enough
  5. Can I suggest moving to tea, instead of inhaling strong coffee by the bucketload?
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  6. moshpit

    moshpit Winger

  7. RichD

    RichD Striker

    There's been far to many great building lost over the years, it would nice to see it form part of a shipbuilding heritage site...
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  8. The petition that is being circulated doesn't which is what I said. I also can't see it on the FB page but I'll take your word for it.

    Out of interest, you didn't believe that the 10,000 people voting for the bridge name showed enough interest from the people of Sunderland. How many thousands of signatures do you need before you would consider this petition to be worthy of attention?

    I have some suggestions to help the campaign and you can take them at face value or ignore them however I'm not after an argument.

    • Make it clear what you expect the petition to achieve. Is it to lobby the council? Persuade local businesses to stump up money? Convince other bodies (Heritage Lottery Fund etc) that there is a demand.
    • Be open and honest with all of the facts when sharing the petition. It adds weight to the argument when people are fully informed.
    • Explain why the whole building needs to be saved as opposed to the gates and arches.
    • Try and have some plan as to what would happen to it in the short, medium and long term.
    • Try and gain some understanding of how much it would cost to take it down, store it and rebuild/repair it. Not down to the last penny but not figures plucked out of thin air like the £250k.
    • A shipbuilding museum has been mooted as a possible use. Show that there is a demand for such a museum (bear in mind the Maritime Museum in Glasgow).
    • Be inventive. The shipbuilding museum may not be viable. Think of it as a working space that would be used by community groups etc.
    • Try and explain how it fits in with existing plans for the city (3,6,9 plan, cultural quarter etc)
    • Be realistic. If the council were to pay, what services would people be prepared to lose? Is there a compromise that would be acceptable to all parties?
    • Speak to people who have been successful in gaining funding from bodies such as Heritage Lottery Fund, Arts Council etc. This is where you are most likely to have success.
    • To gain funding from above bodies, matched funding is key. Approach businesses to see who would be prepared to help.
    • Be prepared to be questioned on all of the above without thinking it is an attack. I see it quite often in creative circles where people expect funding from the Arts Council etc but get offended when asked to explain why they deserve it. Inevitably it is the people who work hard to provide the answers who are successful.
    It's a harsh fact that petitions mean very little even with hundreds of thousands of signatures. Success is going to come from a coherent plan and a willingness to work with people who you think are the enemy.
    Time isn't on your side here so you need to come up with a plan quickly. Don't waste your time arguing, you aren't going to convince anyone to help by criticising them. At the very least you want to be in a position to be seen as a viable group to have input into what happens with the gates and arches.

    From the outside looking in the campaign seems well intentioned but not thought through. Unfortunately good intentions aren't enough.
  9. Neither are knee-jerk reactions, which is exactly what this campaign is.

    Mind, that IS a very helpful post ^^^
  10. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    Knock it all down
  11. moshpit

    moshpit Winger

    Second word is off.
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  12. Mackem00

    Mackem00 Striker

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    JAZZMANB Striker

    So you've realised caring about something involves more than shouting at people.The city if full of nods to the past and i think if anything we live too much in the past with our previous glories so to say people don't care is bollocks.I take my son to all my old haunts,docks,quarries,bunkers etc ,stuff is there if you look for it
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  14. Mackem00

    Mackem00 Striker

    It was a class reply mind. Whinging on and on and somebody in the know with experience gives him a long and detailed (and helpful) reply and he's not even interested. Classic smb. :lol:
  15. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    I think that the 'Thanks' from George Clarke beats it like
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  16. Some Random Guy

    Some Random Guy Striker

    Happened to me a few times. Put loads of effort into a post then get something like that back. Annoys me a hell of a lot more than it should.
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  17. Bob Fleming

    Bob Fleming Striker

    :lol: Sums you nutters up that. A well thought out helpful suggestion and that’s all you can come up with.
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  18. Mackem00

    Mackem00 Striker

    Noted. ;)
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  19. zwartekat

    zwartekat Striker

    He's actually endlessly entertaining.
  20. Le Chuck

    Le Chuck Striker

    Which isnt relevant to point about rusty cranes

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