Sale is close - Barnsey

[GBSAFC]

I've always said that both us and Newcastle are potential money-makers for an owner with the nous and wherewithal to make things happen on the pitch. At the moment we are the more interesting prospect as it would take a relatively small sum to instigate upward momentum. However Newcastle would almost certainly cost hundreds of millions both to purchase and to try to compete with the top 6 in the Premier League. Then you've got the problem of the most entitled loser fan base against a fan base that expects nothing but a little entertainment and the occasional victory at home.

In terms of cost and quick win we should be an easier prospect than the mags... And with less expectational baggage.
But it all comes down to real ambition talent in recruitment and having a coherent plan. That's were Madrox universally failed.
Imho they are worse than short... Who despite all the fuckups wanted the club to progress

 

[KittenMittens]

Neither us or the Mags are money makers for some time. I reckon a conservative estimate is that it'll be 5 years before we make a potential operating profit for an owner spending the money necessary to get near the PL.

We won't make money in the Championship, we might break even with a frugal owner, but that will be similar to our position now in some ways.

There's a reason why people seem to walk away once they start delving deeper. It's not just us as a club, it's any 'sleeping giant' - you've got to be willing to gamble £100m+ before you see even a penny back, let alone make an overall profit on your investment.

I'm sure someone will do it though, some day, but if they do it will likely be ego driven.

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

I think that you may have missed the word "temporarily". Hey never mind, any excuse to have a crack at Bob

To be fair, you normally move into a hotel temporarily before you move into a house. Sometimes you move into a house temporarily before moving into another house. Can't say I've ever heard of someone temporarily moving into a house and then moving to a hotel. Not that I can be arsed getting into an "is Bob telling the truth" thing, I think he probably is and it doesn't add value to the thread either way, but can understand the lad thinking it sounds a bit strange

 

[Howard the Duck]

Albert Jumanji looked very two-footed (like so many continental centre halves) so hopefully he'd be able to do the job. Must admit I don't hate Flanagan all that much. He's clearly not a stand-out but he's not completely horrendous in a 3 IMO.

Very, very two footed I thought. His passing with his right was crisp (hate using that on here now with the Colback connotations) and accurate. He was generally very technically sound. One little cameo where he did a drag back with his right, immediately another with his left and then played Hume in behind showcased all you needed to know in terms of his comfort on the ball.

I don’t hate Flanagan in a 3 either. Though he is prone to inexplicably kicking it out of play from a position of absolute comfort. Ideally for me we would sign Xhemajli and he would start on the left of the three. That would leave Feeney as cover for Wright and Flanagan as cover for the centre back positions on either side. That’s a decent squad balance in my opinion since we’re sticking with a three.
I don’t think Taylor has what it takes. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong if we don’t sign the Albanian though.

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

Neither us or the Mags are money makers for some time. I reckon a conservative estimate is that it'll be 5 years before we make a potential operating profit for an owner spending the money necessary to get near the PL.

We won't make money in the Championship, we might break even with a frugal owner, but that will be similar to our position now in some ways.

There's a reason why people seem to walk away once they start delving deeper. It's not just us as a club, it's any 'sleeping giant' - you've got to be willing to gamble £100m+ before you see even a penny back, let alone make an overall profit on your investment.

I'm sure someone will do it though, some day, but if they do it will likely be ego driven.

Aye, I think one of the main issues for "sleeping giants" is the way that the financials have gone over the last few decades in football. Previously gate receipts were huge. If you had a side capable of huge attendances, you had a side with huge potential, much more than another side that, no matter how well you ran it, would always have a fairly low cap in terms of how many would pay to watch them. Now it's all about the TV money that every PL side gets with wages being a much smaller part of it. Lots of PL clubs can make profit.

I'm not saying it isn't an advantage to have more fans (potential for larger revenue even if it is minor compared to the TV money, as long as ticket prices and the likes are average for the league), but if you have a small club with a good set up competing near the top of the championship, thats a much less risky bet than having to pay a lot to get Sunderland and then get them promoted twice. And if you do take Sunderland up, you'll likely make broadly similar PL profit to your less risky smaller club options. Even the ego thing, I wonder if you'd rather be the man responsible for bringing a big club back to the level they expect to be at anyway, or take a small club that's never been there and be the one responsible for that. The real advantage we have is the facilities I suppose, long term that should give us a good advantage over a lot of other sides if utilised correctly.

 

[GillytheGilf]

Madbob making shit up?! Never, I don’t believe it for a second

Wouldn’t surprise me

Obsessed with Bob ye like

I think that you may have missed the word "temporarily". Hey never mind, any excuse to have a crack at Bob

Bobs on the money 9 times out of 10

Aye definitely sounds like its a full takeover and not just investment

Extra garlic serse

You,me And everyone else will see it as a takeover but the likes of @Grumpy Old Man will see it as an investment due to the way Madrox will be possibly structured.

 

[KittenMittens]

Aye, I think one of the main issues for "sleeping giants" is the way that the financials have gone over the last few decades in football. Previously gate receipts were huge. If you had a side capable of huge attendances, you had a side with huge potential, much more than another side that, no matter how well you ran it, would always have a fairly low cap in terms of how many would pay to watch them. Now it's all about the TV money that every PL side gets with wages being a much smaller part of it. Lots of PL clubs can make profit.

I'm not saying it isn't an advantage to have more fans (potential for larger revenue even if it is minor compared to the TV money, as long as ticket prices and the likes are average for the league), but if you have a small club with a good set up competing near the top of the championship, thats a much less risky bet than having to pay a lot to get Sunderland and then get them promoted twice. And if you do take Sunderland up, you'll likely make broadly similar PL profit to your less risky smaller club options. Even the ego thing, I wonder if you'd rather be the man responsible for bringing a big club back to the level they expect to be at anyway, or take a small club that's never been there and be the one responsible for that. The real advantage we have is the facilities I suppose, long term that should give us a good advantage over a lot of other sides if utilised correctly.

Agreed. It's a bitter irony of our position that the facilities, stadium and other advantages actually cost more money for us in League One than our competitors. The cost base appears fairly large and the best case scenario, realistically, can only be achieved by investing a 9 figure amount in us. I'm not saying someone won't do that (I very much hope they will), but I don't think most fans appreciate the scale of the investment that someone needs to commit to - and how hard it will be for them to recoup any of that money, even if things go well.

There are only two options for someone to make money, one of which is to be relatively frugal and try to get 'securely' in the PL in the manner of Sheff Utd, Burnley, Norwich, Brighton etc by building up a squad and frankly, getting lucky by 'only' spending around £90m on us in total on the investment before a return.

The other is the way I think most fans want this to go, which is that the new owner makes a push closer to Fulham, Derby, Villa, Boro etc and spends enough money to give us a clear advantage over other teams. That way you're probably looking at closer to £150m before they see a penny back in a best case scenario. In a worst case... things can go very wrong as some of those teams found out. Look how close Villa came to an apocalypse.

People who say the rewards are obvious are generally talking about the club's success, rather than an owner's financial rewards.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Obsessed with Bob ye like

Bobs on the money 9 times out of 10

You,me And everyone else will see it as a takeover but the likes of @Grumpy Old Man will see it as an investment due to the way Madrox will be possibly structured.

If someone other than Donald ends up with more than 50% of Madrox, it's a takeover. End of story. If no-one has more than 50%, then there's no single owner.

 

[The Ghost of Arca]

Hope some positive news trickles out for the bank holiday weekend

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Agreed. It's a bitter irony of our position that the facilities, stadium and other advantages actually cost more money for us in League One than our competitors. The cost base appears fairly large and the best case scenario, realistically, can only be achieved by investing a 9 figure amount in us. I'm not saying someone won't do that (I very much hope they will), but I don't think most fans appreciate the scale of the investment that someone needs to commit to - and how hard it will be for them to recoup any of that money, even if things go well.

There are only two options for someone to make money, one of which is to be relatively frugal and try to get 'securely' in the PL in the manner of Sheff Utd, Burnley, Norwich, Brighton etc by building up a squad and frankly, getting lucky by 'only' spending around £90m on us in total on the investment before a return.

The other is the way I think most fans want this to go, which is that the new owner makes a push closer to Fulham, Derby, Villa, Boro etc and spends enough money to give us a clear advantage over other teams. That way you're probably looking at closer to £150m before they see a penny back in a best case scenario. In a worst case... things can go very wrong as some of those teams found out. Look how close Villa came to an apocalypse.

People who say the rewards are obvious are generally talking about the club's success, rather than an owner's financial rewards.

Which is why I hate the phrase "speculate to accumulate", which is actually just a fancy way of saying "betting".

 

[Gaz]

Obsessed with Bob ye like

Bobs on the money 9 times out of 10

You,me And everyone else will see it as a takeover but the likes of @Grumpy Old Man will see it as an investment due to the way Madrox will be possibly structured.

this is the problem, people interpret takeover and investment in different ways.

If its a share redistribution to current owners and further investment I wouldn’t class that as a takeover personally even if SD leaves as part of it. I know some would though depending on % shares etc.

 

[molthemackem]

One of the worst passers of a football we've had and people reckon he should play full back. To be fair he has the odd game where he turns into ronald koeman for about 5 mins but reverts to type very quickly.

Every ball he tries to play down the flanks inevitably goes out of play. You can tell I'm not a fan.

 

[The Ghost of Arca]

As long as SD leaves which it sounds like he definitely is they can call it what the fuck they like

 

[Wearson]

The other alternative is to have good coaching and tactics, fit “ injury free“ players, and a positive confident attitude.
None of which necessarily costs any more money than we currently pay out.
Teams in L1 generally don’t buy players for fees , so it’s as much of a level playing field as you can get.
We won’t get the investment figures being bandied around here, not a chance .

 

[Sons of The Wear]

Obsessed with Bob ye like

Bobs on the money 9 times out of 10

You,me And everyone else will see it as a takeover but the likes of @Grumpy Old Man will see it as an investment due to the way Madrox will be possibly structured.

Redistribution of shares with SD ultimately leaving, JS increasing his holding and probably CM staying, along with Furhman and some new faces and associated investment. Not a takeover as such seems to be the crack.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Redistribution of shares with SD Ultimately going, JS increasing his and probably CM staying, along with some new faces and associated investment. Not a takeover as such seems to be the crack.

A change in majority shareholder is a takoever, whether that's Sartori or anyone else. That's a simple matter of company law.

 

[The Jarra Wanderer]

Every ball he tries to play down the flanks inevitably goes out of play. You can tell I'm not a fan.

This and frustratingly no one tells him to stop doing it as he’s clearly incapable of completing such a pass.

 

[Bears Beets]

Obsessed with Bob ye like

Bobs on the money 9 times out of 10

You,me And everyone else will see it as a takeover but the likes of @Grumpy Old Man will see it as an investment due to the way Madrox will be possibly structured.

So are you, he’s not going to shag you.

 

[chopsfc007]

Obsessed with Bob ye like

Bobs on the money 9 times out of 10

You,me And everyone else will see it as a takeover but the likes of @Grumpy Old Man will see it as an investment due to the way Madrox will be possibly structured.

No he isn't

 

[JHmackem]

Thread is one month old today and we’re still no wiser. Needs to be locked.

Just don't open the thread man, you f***ing whopper. Barnes literally said it wouldn't be complete until the end of August, which we're not at yet.