Safe Standing Petition


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I would hardly expect someone directly affected by Hillsborough to have any other view.
But you surely must realise that it would be very difficult for him to have a fully objective view - he is saying it is a point of principle, i.e. his mind is made up no matter what variant on seating was offered he would reject it.
Safe standing tho is nothing like the terrace culture many of us experienced. Its what should of happened after hillsborough and its safer than the standing that goes on now. The amount of times ive gone arse over tit standing in all seater. If i had a rail there it would be spot on. It needs trialing to start with. But if its safe for rugby fans , concert goers to stand then why cant football fans
 
Safe standing tho is nothing like the terrace culture many of us experienced. Its what should of happened after hillsborough and its safer than the standing that goes on now. The amount of times ive gone arse over tit standing in all seater. If i had a rail there it would be spot on. It needs trialing to start with. But if its safe for rugby fans , concert goers to stand then why cant football fans
I'm on your side of the argument?
 
Safe standing tho is nothing like the terrace culture many of us experienced. Its what should of happened after hillsborough and its safer than the standing that goes on now. The amount of times ive gone arse over tit standing in all seater. If i had a rail there it would be spot on. It needs trialing to start with. But if its safe for rugby fans , concert goers to stand then why cant football fans

All seater had nothing to do with safety in reality. If the fences weren't up Hillsborough wouldn't have happened. If the police hadn't opened the gates Hillsborough wouldn't have happened. If adequate signs were up and overcrowding was avoided Hillsborough wouldn't have happened.

What all seaters did was encourage women and children to attend, and help make the Premier league brand.

It's why standing is still deemed safe in the lower leagues, because they aren't looking to cash in on them.
 
All seater had nothing to do with safety in reality. If the fences weren't up Hillsborough wouldn't have happened. If the police hadn't opened the gates Hillsborough wouldn't have happened. If adequate signs were up and overcrowding was avoided Hillsborough wouldn't have happened.

What it did was e courage women and children to attend, and help make the Premier league brand.

It's why standing is still deemed safe in the lower league, because thry aren't looking to cash in on them.
Dont disagree with that, but the premier league also sells itself on atmosphere. I bet the premier league would love safe standing to happen
 
Dont disagree with that, but the premier league also sells itself on atmosphere. I bet the premier league would love safe standing to happen

I'm not convinced as it's done very well thus far with the worst atmospheres in Europe. They just want full stadiums, and maximum profits.

Although sky does seem to buzz over the Palace lot so perhaps opinion is changing slightly.

I do think it will happen mind. And it should. Paying folk should be given the option.

Germany have had safe standing since 2004 and they haven't moved to or cried out for terracing?

He's getting blarn to bits on here. Fortunately he's just on a wind up, knowing it's going against the grain. In reality it will make no difference to him as he is of an age where he won't want (or be able) to stand and will always have a seating option.
 
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I'm not convinced as it's done very well thus far with the worst atmospheres in Europe. They just want full stadiums, and maximum profits.

Although sky does seem to buzz over the Palace lot so perhaps opinion is changing slightly.
Its not just sky. Its the premier league package around tge world. It may be a bit of a myth to us, but the general conception is that premier league football matches are played in grounds that are full. More so than other leagues, its obviously very good for the premier league, safe standing will only enhance that
 
All seater had nothing to do with safety in reality. If the fences weren't up Hillsborough wouldn't have happened. If the police hadn't opened the gates Hillsborough wouldn't have happened. If adequate signs were up and overcrowding was avoided Hillsborough wouldn't have happened.

What all seaters did was encourage women and children to attend, and help make the Premier league brand.

It's why standing is still deemed safe in the lower leagues, because they aren't looking to cash in on them.
Absolutely disgraceful thing to say. We have had 20 years now of all seater stadia, not one incident has occurred and as the Hillsborough Support Group says a group of retrospective arseholes want to return to the bad old days of English football for no reason other than their own self interest. It has fuckall to do with cashing in and everything to do with stadiums remaining safe for football fans, who fortunately havent had to go through what my generation went through.

Not one person on here has put forward any reason - not one - for standing to return except their own self interest and the fact that they want a "choice". Unfortunately English football fans dont get a choice because everytime they do get a f***ing choice they fuck it up. the track record of English football fans is f***ing dreadful. Even when they are given all seater stadia whats the first thing they do - refuse to sit in the seat they are given and like the children they are - stand. Even more disgraceful is the authorities letting them. Even more disgraceful than that is flagrantly disobeying the law and then calling for an even more relaxed approach because they are breaking the law and no one is punishing them.

Absolutely shameful.

I'd rather be on the side of the Hillsborough Support Group than the self interested people on here who have very conveniently forgotten the likes of Hillsborough.

I'm even more vehemently against this so called "safe" standing (an oxymoron if ever there was one) now than when the thread started.

No way will I ever support this retrograde step. No chance.
 
Its not just sky. Its the premier league package around tge world. It may be a bit of a myth to us, but the general conception is that premier league football matches are played in grounds that are full. More so than other leagues, its obviously very good for the premier league, safe standing will only enhance that

How will safe standing enhance that? Grounds are full of people paying mental prices and the global market loves it as it is. The atmosphere makes no odds to some Thai bloke watching it in Bangkok.
 
How will safe standing enhance that? Grounds are full of people paying mental prices and the global market loves it as it is. The atmosphere makes no odds to some Thai bloke watching it in Bangkok.
Off course it does. Look at la liga every match is played in a flat atmosphere
 
Absolutely disgraceful thing to say. We have had 20 years now of all seater stadia, not one incident has occurred and as the Hillsborough Support Group says a group of retrospective arseholes want to return to the bad old days of English football for no reason other than their own self interest. It has fuckall to do with cashing in and everything to do with stadiums remaining safe for football fans, who fortunately havent had to go through what my generation went through.

Not one person on here has put forward any reason - not one - for standing to return except their own self interest and the fact that they want a "choice". Unfortunately English football fans dont get a choice because everytime they do get a f***ing choice they fuck it up. the track record of English football fans is f***ing dreadful. Even when they are given all seater stadia whats the first thing they do - refuse to sit in the seat they are given and like the children they are - stand. Even more disgraceful is the authorities letting them. Even more disgraceful than that is flagrantly disobeying the law and then calling for an even more relaxed approach because they are breaking the law and no one is punishing them.

Absolutely shameful.

I'd rather be on the side of the Hillsborough Support Group than the self interested people on here who have very conveniently forgotten the likes of Hillsborough.

I'm even more vehemently against this so called "safe" standing (an oxymoron if ever there was one) now than when the thread started.

No way will I ever support this retrograde step. No chance.

Hillsborough wasn't caused by terracing. It was a fuck up by the authorities combined with fencing keeping people in. You know that though.

If too many people were allowed into a seated section (and fencing was up) people would still get injured or worse.

Off course it does. Look at la liga every match is played in a flat atmosphere

As is just every Premier League game. People watching in bars etc can't even hear the box man.
 
I'm not convinced as it's done very well thus far with the worst atmospheres in Europe.
How on earth you equate all seater stadia to atmosphere I have absolutely no idea. The two issues have no relevance to each other at all. You clearly never went to RP when for loads of games the atmosphere was like a morgue. You also clearly havent attended the SOL - an all seater stadium - when the place was rocking.

Seats do not have the remotest influence on atmosphere at all.

If too many people were allowed into a seated section (and fencing was up) people would still get injured or worse.

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WTF?
 
How on earth you equate all seater stadia to atmosphere I have absolutely no idea. The two issues have no relevance to each other at all. You clearly never went to RP when for loads of games the atmosphere was like a morgue. You also clearly havent attended the SOL - an all seater stadium - when the place was rocking.

Seats do not have the remotest influence on atmosphere at all.

Yes they do. Why are unofficial standing sections always where the most noise comes from? You can't move around or stand together in seats, and your not going to sing if sat next to a load of dullards or oldies who just want to sit and watch the game.

Yes I did. Just imagine how loud the SoL would have been for the play off game if two ends were standing :eek:

I'm happy as it is mind, can't recall the last time I sat at a football match.
 
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Hillsborough wasn't caused by terracing. It was a fuck up by the authorities combined with fencing keeping people in. You know that though.

If too many people were allowed into a seated section (and fencing was up) people would still get injured or worse.



As is just every Premier League game. People watching in bars etc can't even hear the box man.
I agree, but the marketing gurus, seem to have done a good job on selling atmospheric stadiums. All im saying is the premier league would love safe standing
 
Grounds are full of people paying mental prices .
What at Sunderland? £80 for my lad to go for a whole season? Not only that do you seriously think that if standing areas were reintroduced prices would go down? :lol:

No one can be that naive.

Yes they do.

Yes I did.
Absolute rubbish. Simply talking out of your arse as most people now seem to be doing on here. Atmosphere has absolutely nothing to do - at all - with all seater stadiums. Even if it did I'd put forward that its a price worth paying to make sure that no one else dies. Still no one has put forward a valid reason for dismantling stadiums and introducing standing at a whopping up to 7 figure cost.

As I say if its good enough for the Hillsborough Support Group its well good enough for me.
 
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Absolutely disgraceful thing to say. We have had 20 years now of all seater stadia, not one incident has occurred and as the Hillsborough Support Group says a group of retrospective arseholes want to return to the bad old days of English football for no reason other than their own self interest. It has fuckall to do with cashing in and everything to do with stadiums remaining safe for football fans, who fortunately havent had to go through what my generation went through.

Not one person on here has put forward any reason - not one - for standing to return except their own self interest and the fact that they want a "choice". Unfortunately English football fans dont get a choice because everytime they do get a f***ing choice they fuck it up. the track record of English football fans is f***ing dreadful. Even when they are given all seater stadia whats the first thing they do - refuse to sit in the seat they are given and like the children they are - stand. Even more disgraceful is the authorities letting them. Even more disgraceful than that is flagrantly disobeying the law and then calling for an even more relaxed approach because they are breaking the law and no one is punishing them.

Absolutely shameful.

I'd rather be on the side of the Hillsborough Support Group than the self interested people on here who have very conveniently forgotten the likes of Hillsborough.

I'm even more vehemently against this so called "safe" standing (an oxymoron if ever there was one) now than when the thread started.

No way will I ever support this retrograde step. No chance.

Disgraceful.

What at Sunderland? £80 for my lad to go for a whole season? Not only that do you seriously think that if standing areas were reintroduced prices would go down? :lol:

No one can be that naive.


Absolute rubbish. Simply talking out of your arse as most people now seem to be doing on here. Atmosphere has absolutely nothing to do - at all - with all seater stadiums. Even if it did I'd put forward that its a price worth paying to make sure that no one else dies. Still no one has put forward a valid reason for dismantling stadiums and introducing standing at a whopping up to 7 figure cost.

As I say if its good enough for the Hillsborough Support Group its well good enough for me.

Read my edit. You've been blarn. Again.
 
I agree, but the marketing gurus, seem to have done a good job on selling atmospheric stadiums. All im saying is the premier league would love safe standing
Aye and hopefully they'll enjoy the litigation that goes with the first incident occurs in these oxymoronic "safe" standing areas.
 
What at Sunderland? £80 for my lad to go for a whole season? Not only that do you seriously think that if standing areas were reintroduced prices would go down? :lol:

No one can be that naive.


Absolute rubbish. Simply talking out of your arse as most people now seem to be doing on here. Atmosphere has absolutely nothing to do - at all - with all seater stadiums. Even if it did I'd put forward that its a price worth paying to make sure that no one else dies. Still no one has put forward a valid reason for dismantling stadiums and introducing standing at a whopping up to 7 figure cost.

As I say if its good enough for the Hillsborough Support Group its well good enough for me.

Standing will help reduce the soaring levels of obesity. Stadiums are full of fat fuckers these days.
 
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