Safe Standing Petition


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It won't because it can be reasonably argued (very easily) that terraces are dangerous. It cannot be argued the same for rail seating. Therefore that will happen, terracing won't (and I wouldn't want it to either).
That comes next. It wont take very long. Maybe 5 to 10 years time and youll be wanting terracing. You can see it a mile off. Crystal clear whats happening and what the all of this is.
 
This is a pre cursor to terracing being reintroduced into English football. You can see it a mile off. Ground safety is being chipped away at.
Don't agree at all, no way will we ever go back old style terraces.

Safe standing will not compromise ground safety.

Clubs like Sunderland getting into financial difficulty and cutting corners on maintenance might, all seater or not.
 
Seating = safe
Terraces = unsafe
Rail seating = unproven in England and far more risky than seats

Terracing won't ever come back because it's unsafe. Don't worry mate. Sleep well.
I wont be sleeping well if standing is re-introduced, in whatever guise you want. Call it "rail" call it what you want - its standing. Unsafe.
 
That comes next. It wont take very long. Maybe 5 to 10 years time and youll be wanting terracing. You can see it a mile off. Crystal clear whats happening and what the all of this is.
It's not crystal clear. You're making a leap no-one else is and that will never happen because the terracing wasn't safe. This solution is. It's as simple as that.

Even if people started asking for terracing it won't happen because those calling for it will no longer be the majority and the safety concerns would ensure it never happened.
 
It's not crystal clear. You're making a leap no-one else is and that will never happen because the terracing wasn't safe. This solution is. It's as simple as that.

Even if people started asking for terracing it won't happen because those calling for it will no longer be the majority and the safety concerns would ensure it never happened.
It'll happen. Absolute fact. We are at stage 3 now and stage 4 is calling for terracing back. I have no doubt in my mind. Not one person could convince me otherwise. the younguns who have never experienced terracing will want it back.

We're standing now mate and nee-one has died.
Not yet......
 
I wont be sleeping well if standing is re-introduced, in whatever guise you want. Call it "rail" call it what you want - its standing. Unsafe.
You are almost reaching the point of arguing that the mere act of standing is unsafe. Is it safe for us to even walk to our seats, look what could happen on those stairways. Perhaps we should all be transported from cars and buses into the ground in the way Alan Tracy got from his lounge to Thunderbird 3.
 
Liverpool’s position, in line with that of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, is in support of all-seated stadiums and, to go back to my earlier point, this is always going to be a highly sensitive subject. Trevor Hicks, whose teenage daughters, Sarah and Victoria, died in the tragedy, has explained to me the group’s thinking and we are talking here about someone whose dignity, courage and perseverance marked him out as a man of rare substance during that long, almost unimaginable fight to prove Hillsborough was not just a national disaster but a national scandal.

His view is that all-seated stadiums have brought more families and young people to football and the sport should not bend to a “vociferous minority who live in the past”. We spoke on Friday and he was absolutely vehement that standing at football should never return. “We are against any attempts to go backwards. In very simple terms, we think it would be a retrograde step. It is a point of principle and we believe all‑seater grounds are much safer.”

‘Safe standing’ would not be a return to English football’s dark ages | Daniel Taylor

A good article and I side with the HFSG.

It is because you are arguing like your view is superior to theirs, rather than just different.
My view is different. I'd put forward that the superior view appears to be coming form people throwing insults around telling people that they are "thick" for not falling in line. That is a superior attitude.
 
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Liverpool’s position, in line with that of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, is in support of all-seated stadiums and, to go back to my earlier point, this is always going to be a highly sensitive subject. Trevor Hicks, whose teenage daughters, Sarah and Victoria, died in the tragedy, has explained to me the group’s thinking and we are talking here about someone whose dignity, courage and perseverance marked him out as a man of rare substance during that long, almost unimaginable fight to prove Hillsborough was not just a national disaster but a national scandal.

His view is that all-seated stadiums have brought more families and young people to football and the sport should not bend to a “vociferous minority who live in the past”. We spoke on Friday and he was absolutely vehement that standing at football should never return. “We are against any attempts to go backwards. In very simple terms, we think it would be a retrograde step. It is a point of principle and we believe all‑seater grounds are much safer.”

‘Safe standing’ would not be a return to English football’s dark ages | Daniel Taylor

A good article and I side with the HFSG.
See, now I'm going to read that and consider their view and any evidence given.

Liverpool’s position, in line with that of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, is in support of all-seated stadiums and, to go back to my earlier point, this is always going to be a highly sensitive subject. Trevor Hicks, whose teenage daughters, Sarah and Victoria, died in the tragedy, has explained to me the group’s thinking and we are talking here about someone whose dignity, courage and perseverance marked him out as a man of rare substance during that long, almost unimaginable fight to prove Hillsborough was not just a national disaster but a national scandal.

His view is that all-seated stadiums have brought more families and young people to football and the sport should not bend to a “vociferous minority who live in the past”. We spoke on Friday and he was absolutely vehement that standing at football should never return. “We are against any attempts to go backwards. In very simple terms, we think it would be a retrograde step. It is a point of principle and we believe all‑seater grounds are much safer.”

‘Safe standing’ would not be a return to English football’s dark ages | Daniel Taylor

A good article and I side with the HFSG.


My view is different. I'd put forward that the superior view appears to be coming form people throwing insults around telling people that they are "thick" for not falling in line. That is a superior attitude.
Ok, I've skim read it and you've picked out the one or two parts that argues against....the parts with no logical reasoning or arguments other than shouting against it like you have, and not facing reality that people stand now and this will make it safer. It's called safe standing for a reason....get this..... it's safe.

And we don't want the terraces before you fly off on that again. Anyway, I'm done.
 
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Youve already voted man. FFS.

Like most people on here you have considered nothing but your own self interest.
How do you know at all what I've considered mate? I have an opinion now, having read things from both sides. One side just pleads emotionally that people died on the old terraces (I'm not saying that wasn't horrific or downplaying it etc. etc. but there were lots of factors, the body position of standing just being one) and then gives no logical reason for not having 'safe standing' areas (i.e. removing the dangerous part) that allow people to stand safely as they would like to without harming anyone else.
 
Liverpool’s position, in line with that of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, is in support of all-seated stadiums and, to go back to my earlier point, this is always going to be a highly sensitive subject. Trevor Hicks, whose teenage daughters, Sarah and Victoria, died in the tragedy, has explained to me the group’s thinking and we are talking here about someone whose dignity, courage and perseverance marked him out as a man of rare substance during that long, almost unimaginable fight to prove Hillsborough was not just a national disaster but a national scandal.

His view is that all-seated stadiums have brought more families and young people to football and the sport should not bend to a “vociferous minority who live in the past”. We spoke on Friday and he was absolutely vehement that standing at football should never return. “We are against any attempts to go backwards. In very simple terms, we think it would be a retrograde step. It is a point of principle and we believe all‑seater grounds are much safer.”

‘Safe standing’ would not be a return to English football’s dark ages | Daniel Taylor

A good article and I side with the HFSG.


My view is different. I'd put forward that the superior view appears to be coming form people throwing insults around telling people that they are "thick" for not falling in line.

I would hardly expect someone directly affected by Hillsborough to have any other view.
But you surely must realise that it would be very difficult for him to have a fully objective view - he is saying it is a point of principle, i.e. his mind is made up no matter what variant on seating was offered he would reject it.
 
I would hardly expect someone directly affected by Hillsborough to have any other view.
But you surely must realise that it would be very difficult for him to have a fully objective view - he is saying it is a point of principle, i.e. his mind is made up no matter what variant on seating was offered he would reject it.
From that same article he's quoting mate:

Lou Brookes, whose brother, Andrew, died at Hillsborough, aged 26, is another advocate: “I know my brother would have hated sitting. Standing didn’t kill my brother but other factors did.”
 
Sad that people wont tolerate an alternative view on this. Very sad.
Your an imbecile

From that same article he's quoting mate:

Lou Brookes, whose brother, Andrew, died at Hillsborough, aged 26, is another advocate: “I know my brother would have hated sitting. Standing didn’t kill my brother but other factors did.”
Spot on. Its since been proven and accepted that standing had nothing to do with hillsborough
 
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