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Re: Goal machine Noble

I don't get what f***ing problem this forum collectively have with Ji Dong-Won. He was decent last game - his first start. He's looked ok earlier when coming off the bench. He looked good in pre-season. He's looked good for Korea. He has the same goal ratio for the reserves as Noble - 2 in 1 - as far as I'm aware. Not many had formed much of an opinion on him until 15 minutes into the Wolves game after which he all of a sudden was cancer and would never make it as a footballer.

The majority of the members here would perform worse than a dice when it comes to assessing footballers. Bunch of knee-jerking wankers.

Noble has proven nothing in competitve football. He's been injured and come back and put in strong performances. For the reserves. I would love him to be successful here. I would love him to be given more of a chance than pointless sub appearances in extra time. But I have a very hard time understanding why starting Noble alone up front would be a masterstroke, while playing Ji would be a disaster.

You're digging an even bigger hole for yourself. Nobody has a "problem" with Ji. But he has about as much right to be on the pitch as Noble, so why you are kicking off because some would like to see Noble play instead is beyond me.

In any case, he wasn't "decent" in the last game, he was poor. This doesn't mean he is finished, it just means that at the moment he doesn't look quite ready.

He also doesn't look much like an out and out goalscorer, whereas Noble appears to be exactly that. A lot of people are of the belief that we are desperate for a striker that concentrates on getting in the box and scoring goals, mainly because Bendtner does not do that. Therefore there's a reasonable suggestion for giving Noble a go.

Quite why you are taking a tantrum over Ji, I'm not sure. He isn't an established first team player, he's a young lad who has just come over from Korea and he will just be grateful to be here. His confidence will not be shattered if he doesn't start every week.
 
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You're digging an even bigger hole for yourself. Nobody has a "problem" with Ji. But he has about as much right to be on the pitch as Noble, so why you are kicking off because some would like to see Noble play instead is beyond me.

In any case, he wasn't "decent" in the last game, he was poor. This doesn't mean he is finished, it just means that at the moment he doesn't look quite ready.

He also doesn't look much like an out and out goalscorer, whereas Noble appears to be exactly that. A lot of people are of the belief that we are desperate for a striker that concentrates on getting in the box and scoring goals, mainly because Bendtner does not do that. Therefore there's a reasonable suggestion for giving Noble a go.

Quite why you are taking a tantrum over Ji, I'm not sure. He isn't an established first team player, he's a young lad who has just come over from Korea and he will just be grateful to be here. His confidence will not be shattered if he doesn't start every week.

Good post.
 
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I actually dont see the point in us playing this way. A one man attack means that we need to get our midfield into support and have some players from the middle to have a goalscoring threat. Larsson is the only real goalscorer from our midfield.
Gardner has a bit of a rep for goals from midfield but he really only managed it in one season.

I'd perhaps agree if we were playing away from home. However, we're playing at home against a team who are pretty poor. We're likely to spend a fair bit of time in possession of the ball, looking at 11 oppo shirts in front of us. If we've got no way of getting the ball to stick up front then we carry little threat. Blackburn can just sit back and watch us pass the ball around by the centre circle. The one up front thing is just what I think that O'Neill will go with based on players available. With the likes of Gardner, Larsson and Sess running off the front man, we should carry sufficent goal threat. We've just got to play higher up the pitch than Bruce had us doing.
 
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I'd perhaps agree if we were playing away from home. However, we're playing at home against a team who are pretty poor. We're likely to spend a fair bit of time in possession of the ball, looking at 11 oppo shirts in front of us. If we've got no way of getting the ball to stick up front then we carry little threat. Blackburn can just sit back and watch us pass the ball around by the centre circle. The one up front thing is just what I think that O'Neill will go with based on players available. With the likes of Gardner, Larsson and Sess running off the front man, we should carry sufficent goal threat. We've just got to play higher up the pitch than Bruce had us doing.

With the Goal Machine, Larsson, Gardner, Sess and possibly Vorn in the side, you'd have to expect some goals.
 
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I'd perhaps agree if we were playing away from home. However, we're playing at home against a team who are pretty poor. We're likely to spend a fair bit of time in possession of the ball, looking at 11 oppo shirts in front of us. If we've got no way of getting the ball to stick up front then we carry little threat. Blackburn can just sit back and watch us pass the ball around by the centre circle. The one up front thing is just what I think that O'Neill will go with based on players available. With the likes of Gardner, Larsson and Sess running off the front man, we should carry sufficent goal threat. We've just got to play higher up the pitch than Bruce had us doing.

For me, that's a reason to not have a striker that holds up the ball. Usually you use such strikers when you're absorbing pressure from the other team and are committing 9 of your 10 outfield players to doing that, therefore you rely on the one player being able to hold up the ball for you by himself until the others can get up to support him.

If it's your team with all the possession, I don't think you need such a player, you already have the ball under control, and what you really need is penetration.
 
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You're digging an even bigger hole for yourself. Nobody has a "problem" with Ji. But he has about as much right to be on the pitch as Noble, so why you are kicking off because some would like to see Noble play instead is beyond me.

In any case, he wasn't "decent" in the last game, he was poor. This doesn't mean he is finished, it just means that at the moment he doesn't look quite ready.

He also doesn't look much like an out and out goalscorer, whereas Noble appears to be exactly that. A lot of people are of the belief that we are desperate for a striker that concentrates on getting in the box and scoring goals, mainly because Bendtner does not do that. Therefore there's a reasonable suggestion for giving Noble a go.

Quite why you are taking a tantrum over Ji, I'm not sure. He isn't an established first team player, he's a young lad who has just come over from Korea and he will just be grateful to be here. His confidence will not be shattered if he doesn't start every week.

Spot on.
 
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I've never said Noble musn't start. What I'm getting at is the amount of people who are advocating that, while dismissing Ji as an option. Many posts in this thread, and many many more in other threads.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing both of them on Sunday given our situation. I'd trust O'Neill with that.

These are some of the quotes from the first half of the Wolves Match Thread:

Noble on second half for Ji.

Noble on for ji

Get JI off!!!! He's a fish out of water!!!

Young Ji has to come off like, poor that

Get Noble on for Ji at half time IMO.

Noble for Ji

get catts off at half time with ji.

Ji's been absolutely shite mind.

Ji is dreadful. He'll never make it in the PL.

Ji is f***ing wank, worst forward I think I've ever seen

Boring as fuck that, give Noble a go in the second half and actually try getting in behind both of Wolves slow centrebacks, can't do any worse than Ji.

Ji might be one of the worst strikers ive seen play for Sunderland,

Ji is f***ing awful like.

Noble for Ji

Ji is no where near ready for the PL yet. Get Noble on and give him a chance

That's just some of it, from the first half and break - then of course there were also several threads dedicated towards the shitness of Ji during and after the match, and a new one pops up about once a day. And he didn't even have a particularly bad game. This forum has a knack for being ridiculous, but I think the attitude towards Ji the past week from such a large amount of people may be a new record.

So I didn't start this Noble vs Ji shite, it absurdly started 30 minutes into the Wolves game.





Admittedly I'm having a bit of a meltdown here.
 
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For me, that's a reason to not have a striker that holds up the ball. Usually you use such strikers when you're absorbing pressure from the other team and are committing 9 of your 10 outfield players to doing that, therefore you rely on the one player being able to hold up the ball for you by himself until the others can get up to support him.

If it's your team with all the possession, I don't think you need such a player, you already have the ball under control, and what you really need is penetration.

TBH I'm thinking in terms of the players we have available. We don't really have anyone with outstanding vision. Without that, the penetration that you rightly talk about is not forthcoming anyway. We're going to have to think in terms of territory and gaining ground for a fair while yet. If we had better options up front (a motivated Bendtner for one) then I'd be far more open to Noble getting a start. As it appears to stand, though, we're better off with Ji and more attacking thrust from midfield.

An interesting side point. If MON does refashion us into a team playing a modern 4-3-3 - and it seems likely since he played this way more often than not at AVFC - surely Noble will have to increase his physicality if he wants to succeed here. Playing up on your own it is an absolute necessity that you can at least hold your own in the physical contest.
 
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I've never said Noble musn't start. What I'm getting at is the amount of people who are advocating that, while dismissing Ji as an option. Many posts in this thread, and many many more in other threads.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing both of them on Sunday given our situation. I'd trust O'Neill with that.

These are some of the quotes from the first half of the Wolves Match Thread:



That's just some of it, from the first half and break - then of course there were also several threads dedicated towards the shitness of Ji during and after the match, and a new one pops up about once a day. And he didn't even have a particularly bad game. This forum has a knack for being ridiculous, but I think the attitude towards Ji the past week from such a large amount of people may be a new record.

So I didn't start this Noble vs Ji shite, it absurdly started 30 minutes into the Wolves game.





Admittedly I'm having a bit of a meltdown here.

Just a wee one. ;)

Obviously the "Ji is shite" threads were ridiculous, but calling for him to be subbed off wasn't that outrageous. He was pretty poor. He put more effort in than Bendtner, I'll give him that, but he didn't have a good game and looked a bit lost.

It's his first season, and if we actually had a proper strike force, he wouldn't be getting thrown into these situations. He'd be playing cup games and coming on for the last 20 minutes of games. Not starting a "must win" game at home.
 
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Ji didn't have great game but Wickham's first couple of games were worse IMHO.
I thought by theend of the game that Ji had actually had a better one than Bendtner (as at least Ji kept getting into the box).

I wouldn't have any problem with Noble and Ji starting tomorrow, especially as they formed a good partnership in the ressies and there is no evidence that Bendtner can form a partnership with anyone.

I do think that Noble deserves a start though. I'd be very disappointed if we line up vs Blackburn at home with one striker up front.
 
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TBH I'm thinking in terms of the players we have available. We don't really have anyone with outstanding vision. Without that, the penetration that you rightly talk about is not forthcoming anyway. We're going to have to think in terms of territory and gaining ground for a fair while yet. If we had better options up front (a motivated Bendtner for one) then I'd be far more open to Noble getting a start. As it appears to stand, though, we're better off with Ji and more attacking thrust from midfield.

An interesting side point. If MON does refashion us into a team playing a modern 4-3-3 - and it seems likely since he played this way more often than not at AVFC - surely Noble will have to increase his physicality if he wants to succeed here. Playing up on your own it is an absolute necessity that you can at least hold your own in the physical contest.

I agree that a creative midfielder is a top priority, but at the same time it's a bit of a "chicken and egg" situation. To make a defence splitting pass, you need a defence splitting run.

At the moment we don't have anyone playing there who is even looking to make a dangerous run, meaning our midfielders have nothing to hit. Right now, we just need to win, and that's more likely to be by winning ugly. If Noble is as clinical in front of goal as some say then it can just be a case of Larsson etc throwing the ball into a dangerous area and hoping for it to drop generously to Noble.
 
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As it's a must-win game against a side that hasn't kept a clean-sheet then, as long as it doesn't unbalance the team and fits with MON's formation, then surely we must play players capable of scoring a goal. Noble and Gardner both notched midweek so why not?
 
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TBH I'm thinking in terms of the players we have available. We don't really have anyone with outstanding vision. Without that, the penetration that you rightly talk about is not forthcoming anyway. We're going to have to think in terms of territory and gaining ground for a fair while yet. If we had better options up front (a motivated Bendtner for one) then I'd be far more open to Noble getting a start. As it appears to stand, though, we're better off with Ji and more attacking thrust from midfield.

An interesting side point. If MON does refashion us into a team playing a modern 4-3-3 - and it seems likely since he played this way more often than not at AVFC - surely Noble will have to increase his physicality if he wants to succeed here. Playing up on your own it is an absolute necessity that you can at least hold your own in the physical contest.

We haven't really got the players to play either way consistently. What we simply have to be is more direct, whilst remaining organised at the back. Whether the support with that comes from midfield in the system you suggest or whether it comes from a change of role for Bendtner (doubtful) or the attacking outlet of someone like Noble, I'm not sure, but short term we have to be. We can have as much possesion as we like, apart from Sess running with the ball to create openings or space in the final third, then against sides like Blackburn all we're likely to do with possesion is give them the chance to get behind the ball and regroup defensively.
 
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