Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)


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Has anything been heard from Tong Blair yet ? He seems very quiet especially with his past links to Ukraine
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Another night of heroic resistance by Ukrainian soldiers and civilians, whilst the West cowers in the corner because - you know - we really mustn’t upset Russia.

It’s of paramount importance that we just stand by and allow Putin to trample all over anyone he wants to. We mustn’t upset Putin.
What do you think we should do?
 
Seems to me he is hell bent on getting the land bridge to Crimea.

If he gets that, is that the out he needs? Would Ukraine concede that much land to save the rest of the country?

There'll be no outs, he's started so he'll finish.

Take over Ukraine, probably Moldova as well and over the next few years sit it out until Russia are gradually let back into the fold.
 
Whether he is rationale or not is questionable. But even if he is it might benefit him to portray he is not. He will be very familiar with Nixon’s madman strategy.

Therefore genuinely rational or not I expect him to escalate as it benefits him. He went into Swedish airspace today. Something against NATO is almost a given imo.

I also expect a stronger response to the sanctions. They will bring him down be it quickly or slowly. They are already positioning economic war and I’d expect him to threaten the West to cajole them into softening them
The madman look is s confection I would say -
....to keep the west guessing and on edge

Katherine Belton - A Reuters reporter and Putin writer / expert - said on Newsnight last night that it's theatre and to get to a nuclear button VP would need to go through seversl ranks of military Generals - who all know it would be suicide for them & families - and therefore they would never allow it.

I think Putin is solely fixated with Ukraine - and not the rest of Europe per se

To defeat our enemy we need to understand him first- western politicians have failed miserably in that quest

UK journo / vicar Nigel Fraser gives us an insight here into the religious significance of Kiev to Putin and how is own religious ideas are driving him on

Sorry if this was already posted

 
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If these Russian bank sanctions are in place for a significant period of time it will go along way to destroying the Russian ( plus Belarus and Kazakhstan) economy , or at least taking them back 30 years

if Germany/Italy etc stop buying fuel not sure what they can do
 
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What do you think we should do?

We - like other free democratic nations - should have boots on the ground in Ukraine. We should have had boots on the ground in Ukraine as soon as the possibility of this invasion was known to western intelligence services. Then it wouldn’t have happened to begin with.

I am absolutely sick to death of this weak as p*ss “ooooh we mustn’t do anything to upset Russia” nonsense. It’s what led us here. The message for a decade has been “just help yourself Vlad, we like to talk about our “values” but when it comes down to it, we’re not going to stop you”. So he’s unsurprisingly gone ahead and helped himself. And will continue to do so until we decide to actually stand for something.
 
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The wording was mental,
"According to Russian news agency TASS, Mr Rogozin said the OneWeb contract had been paid in full and the funds would not be returned.
"We received all the money for it for the manufacture of launch vehicles, upper-stages and for the necessary launch services.
"This money, due to force majeure circumstances that have arisen as a result of the aggressive policy of the West and the sanctions that are applied against Russia, this money will remain in Russia," the Roscosmos boss stated.

err, mate...

 
What a crock of shit.

How do you explain the tank shooting at the civilian filming from his window? The strike in freedom square? The mass strikes on Kharkiv? The ckuster weapons near apartment buildings?

Don't think any of them were "attempting to shoot things down"

Again, the Ukrainians are embedded in these areas and are being shelled/bombed. In regards to a tank shooting someone in a window, said tank is in a warzone, sees someone in a dangerous position relative to them and shoots? Possible explanation.

Guess it's worth linking these again.

UN stating 136 dead and over 400 injured. Linked below, wouldn't but it out of line with any of the below conflicts at this point in time but I guess civilians killed by Western forces are tolerable?



The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.


Baghdad suffered serious damage to its civilian infrastructure, economy, and cultural inheritance from the fighting, as well as looting and arson. During the invasion, the Al-Yarmouk Hospital in south Baghdad saw a steady rate of about 100 new patients an hour.

Various sources have 7000+ civilians killed in the invasion of Iraq.

There are of course anomalies, but in terms of top down systematic initiatives? Behave.

I don’t have to, because I didn’t make the point that there has been.

The question of ‘murder’ was brought up and you challenged that, the term is being used widely (including in the House of Commons today) and of course that is to do with the threshold for War Crimes and whether Putin has committed and can be prosecuted for doing it.

Interesting turn of phrase you used however when you said ‘collateral damage’, it almost serves to attempt to justify what the Russians are doing. So answer me this; would you describe the intentional shelling and cluster bombing of schools, hospitals, television and council buildings as justified in a war?

It seems like you’re aligning yourself with this individual with that line of defence:
Or would you instead agree with me that the above targets are exactly what you would describe as indiscriminate?

Bearing in mind indiscriminate means ‘at random or without careful judgement’.

If those targets are being bombed WITH careful judgement and not simply at random then that is without doubt proof of systematic killing and evidence of war crimes being committed.


The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.

Just because hospitals and schools have been bombed does not mean they're occupied by civilians, it also doesn't rule out them being occupied by enemy forces. I wouldn't put much stock in Victoria Derbyshire or the BBC, they clearly have their point of view. As highlighted previously contrast the western media to RT. RT are stating Ukrainians are killing civilians, whereas the Western media are saying Russia are killing civilians. No doubt both sides are, as an unfortunate consequence of the conflict, is it systematic and top down?, I highly doubt it.


Apologise for appearing to be be personal, but I find it beyond comprehension that you don't understand that the Russians, with their precision targeting ability, could not take out military targets without as much " collateral damage" as they are inflicting. They are deliberately targeting " strategic" positions in civilian areas to cause as much damage as they can.
And are you seriously comparing the BBC with RT?

I appreciate the apology. The highlighted statement is the exact problem. Neither side is impartial, now granted RT is more state controlled but don't be naïve regarding the BBC.
 
We - like other free democratic nations - should have boots on the ground in Ukraine. We should have had boots on the ground in Ukraine as soon as the possibility of this invasion was known to western intelligence services. Then it wouldn’t have happened to begin with.

I am absolutely sick to death of this weak as p*ss “ooooh we mustn’t do anything to upset Russia” nonsense. It’s what led us here. The message for a decade has been “just help yourself Vlad, we like to talk but when it comes down to it, we’re not going to stop you”. So he’s unsurprisingly gone ahead and helped himself. And will continue to do so until we decide to actually stand for something.
I agree. The UN should be mobilising asap. The UN council resolutions will do nothing as Russia will just ignore them. The war crime tribunal, even if Putin is guilty, will never get him to The Hague. It just feels like bravado to me at the moment. The only hope is that sanctions strangle him before Ukraine collapses, but its not going to happen. Ukraine will be taken over and in a few years the West will be back trading with Russia as if nowt has happened.

I get the threat from the nukes and he is probably mad enough to use them, but if he invades the Baltic states, they will still be a threat. Then what? Is Putin mad enough to hit NATO? Probably. We seem willing to sacrifice a nation of 40million people and it just doesn't sit right with me.
 
We - like other free democratic nations - should have boots on the ground in Ukraine. We should have had boots on the ground in Ukraine as soon as the possibility of this invasion was known to western intelligence services. Then it wouldn’t have happened to begin with.

I am absolutely sick to death of this weak as p*ss “ooooh we mustn’t do anything to upset Russia” nonsense. It’s what led us here. The message for a decade has been “just help yourself Vlad, we like to talk about our “values” but when it comes down to it, we’re not going to stop you”. So he’s unsurprisingly gone ahead and helped himself. And will continue to do so until we decide to actually stand for something.
Would you really be happy (bad choice of phrase but you know what I mean) to start WW3? Once western troops and Russian troops are fighting each other that's what it will be

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I agree we should have been in the Ukraine prior to the invasion. That may well have stopped putin
 
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I agree. The UN should be mobilising asap. The UN council resolutions will do nothing as Russia will just ignore them. The war crime tribunal, even if Putin is guilty, will never get him to The Hague. It just feels like bravado to me at the moment. The only hope is that sanctions strangle him before Ukraine collapses, but its not going to happen. Ukraine will be taken over and in a few years the West will be back trading with Russia as if nowt has happened.

I get the threat from the nukes and he is probably mad enough to use them, but if he invades the Baltic states, they will still be a threat. Then what? Is Putin mad enough to hit NATO? Probably. We seem willing to sacrifice a nation of 40million people and it just doesn't sit right with me.
"He's probably mad enough to use (nukes)" but you still want to escalate the war to WW3!
 
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We - like other free democratic nations - should have boots on the ground in Ukraine. We should have had boots on the ground in Ukraine as soon as the possibility of this invasion was known to western intelligence services. Then it wouldn’t have happened to begin with.
There's not a lot to stop you getting your boots on the ground in Kyiv, but escalation on a national level would lead to european wide, maybe world wide, maybe nuclear, war.
 
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Would you really be happy (bad choice of phrase but you know what I mean) to start WW3? Once western troops and Russian troops are fighting each other that's what it will be

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I agree we should have been in the Ukraine prior to the invasion. That may well have stopped putin

What's the alternative? Just keep walking backwards until the fucker is on our doorstep?
 
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