Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)


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Yes, we very much can ignore it. The reason we can ignore it is because - as already stated - Russia has no jurisdiction in Ukrian and no right whatsoever to dictate to the Ukrainian people. Pandering to Russian lunacy is what got us here.

The idea that if we’d only cut back on NATO, Putin would have gone back to his twin loves of crochet and world peace is for the birds.

We ignored it and look what happened.

If Ukraine's proposed membership of NATO was taken off the table then this war almost certainly doesn't happen - most experts agree with this. And I'm not saying we hand Ukraine over to Russia, make them a Russian satellite state etc, they'd be a neutral, indepedent country with an agreement not to join NATO.
 
We ignored it and look what happened.

If Ukraine's proposed membership of NATO was taken off the table then this war almost certainly doesn't happen - most experts agree with this. And I'm not saying we hand Ukraine over to Russia, make them a Russian satellite state etc, they'd be a neutral, indepedent country with an agreement not to join NATO.
Too late for that now. Line has been crossed.
 
Because that's how the world works in reality. Henry Kissinger — 'America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests'.

Imagine getting Ukraine's application to join NATO:

Pros: ???
Cons: Will probably cause war with Russia leading to thousands of deaths and possible escalation as far as a nuclear conflict (and this isn't hindsight, people have been predicting this for years).

Play your cards right and Ukraine becomes a stable, neutral country acting as a buffer between NATO and Russia and you strengthen relations with Russia. And if Russia did invade a neutral Ukraine that was not going to join NATO (which it would have no reason to) then you haven't really lost anything, we'd still be in the same situation we are now.
Are some of the pros things like, produce 8 to 10% of global wheat
Has a huge untapped resource of natural gas etc.
A very good, disciplined armed forces
Has quite an important gas line running through it
Moving more towards a western culture / lifestyle
Haven't invaded or threatened another country in a long time
Quite like the idea of peace and getting in with their neighbours

Or insist they stay neutral so Russia don't get the hump?
 
We ignored it and look what happened.

If Ukraine's proposed membership of NATO was taken off the table then this war almost certainly doesn't happen - most experts agree with this. And I'm not saying we hand Ukraine over to Russia, make them a Russian satellite state etc, they'd be a neutral, indepedent country with an agreement not to join NATO.
Russia would have found an excuse.
 
We ignored it and look what happened.

If Ukraine's proposed membership of NATO was taken off the table then this war almost certainly doesn't happen - most experts agree with this. And I'm not saying we hand Ukraine over to Russia, make them a Russian satellite state etc, they'd be a neutral, indepedent country with an agreement not to join NATO.

Again - if they want to join NATO, it’s their right. Ukraine is a sovereign free country of 41m people. It isn’t something which just exists to keep Russia happy or feeling important.

The whole problem here is the determination of some people to view things through the “ooooh we mustn’t annoy Russia” lens.
 
You may be right but if we want peace the first step is to come up with an agreement that Ukraine will not join NATO for the forseeable. I can still see this happening in the end.
I don’t think the sanctions that the west have implemented give Putin an escape from the trap he has caught himself in. It is incredible how shite his last 8 days have been.
 
Again - if they want to join NATO, it’s their right. Ukraine is a sovereign free country of 41m people. It isn’t something which just exists to keep Russia happy or feeling important.

The whole problem here is the determination of some people to view things through the “ooooh we mustn’t annoy Russia” lens.
Thinks that’s rapidly changing to a ‘let’s not cause world annihilation’ lens
 
Again - if they want to join NATO, it’s their right. Ukraine is a sovereign free country of 41m people. It isn’t something which just exists to keep Russia happy or feeling important.

The whole problem here is the determination of some people to view things through the “ooooh we mustn’t annoy Russia” lens.
Before this war had started I would have agreed that Ukraine should not have been allowed to join EU or NATO. However, Putin has fucked that up.
 
We ignored it and look what happened.

If Ukraine's proposed membership of NATO was taken off the table then this war almost certainly doesn't happen - most experts agree with this. And I'm not saying we hand Ukraine over to Russia, make them a Russian satellite state etc, they'd be a neutral, indepedent country with an agreement not to join NATO.
And you trust Russia
 
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