Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)


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Yes, I agree but it's pointless getting over stressed by something that's beyond our control.

We should also bear in mind, from past history of conflicts, us punters are just seeing a tiny proportion of what's actually going on.

I suspect the USA and her allies will have opened other channels of communication that we'll never hear of.

That would be nice, but in its current incarnate I have my doubts about basic competencies like this.
 
Yes, I agree but it's pointless getting over stressed by something that's beyond our control.

We should also bear in mind, from past history of conflicts, us punters are just seeing a tiny proportion of what's actually going on.

I suspect the USA and her allies will have opened other channels of communication that we'll never hear of.
There is a tiny part of that thinks if they try and deploy them and they will be rubbish and all shot down by NATO or land in Russia or not detonate.

The system will be run by yes men and may be utterly rubbish. Hopefully, we will never find out.
 
They really have. What is happening now is directly linked to 2014, and it has been going back way longer than that.

Big investment in agricultural tech and resource hoarding, they have a small economy because they deal little (comparatively) in way of export/import.
It's a bad move tbf. Mussolini had a similar idea of creating an Autarchy in Italy but no industrial country can exist outside international rules. If you're not prepared to compromise or yield to the strongest power, you're doomed.
 
I'm as frightened by the whole thing as much as anyone, but maniacs like Putin only understand strength.
I wouldn't be against NATO going into Ukraine and helping batting the Russians back.
Belarus can gan do one aswell
 
NATO stepping up weapons deliveries. It’s a drop in the ocean for NATO and the EU to support Ukraine so I’d expect Ukraine will keep getting very significant weapon deliveries. Crucial though is they keep the Western borders open and secure supply lines across to the front.


Incredibly delicate situation and one can only assume that Putin will take this as the West intervening. Who knows what the mad c*nt will do.
 
It's a bad move tbf. Mussolini had a similar idea of creating an Autarchy in Italy but no industrial country can exist outside international rules. If you're not prepared to compromise or yield to the strongest power, you're doomed.

Fair point but they‘re likely banking (haha) on working with other dissident countries and the ever increasing split in the West is something he will now openly court and attract imo. There’s a Dugin post in the other thread that’s worth a read if you’re interested, it makes a lot of things clear.
@Alcoholic_Author you have replied to quite a few people since this.

How much is mega tonnes?

I was not aware that mega-tonne was a metric, I meant an awful lot of gold ie in terms of tonnage. Apologies for the confusion.
 
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Fair point but they‘re likely banking (haha) on working with other dissident countries and the ever increasing split in the West is something he will now openly court and attract imo. There’s a Dugin post in the other thread that’s worth a read if you’re interested, it makes a lot of things clear.


I was not aware that mega-tonne was a metric, I meant an awful lot of gold ie in terms of tonnage. Apologies for the confusion.
That's clear from the shift to China and willingness to trade with Iran and other non-aligned states. This conflict weakens Russia either way, it just becomes more dependent on China. Out of the frying pan into the fire. Like Mussolini.
 
Full credit to the New York Times

And his outburst highlighted anew the question, coursing through the American intelligence community, about the state of mind of the Russian leader, a man previously described as pragmatic, calculating and cunning. The former director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., said in public today what some officials have been saying in private since the Russian leader began accusing Ukraine of genocide and claiming it was developing nuclear weapons of its own.

“I personally think he’s unhinged,” Mr. Clapper said on CNN. “I worry about his acuity and balance.”


Others wonder if Mr. Putin wants to create that impression, to add to Washington’s unease. Similar concerns drove the decision not to have Mr. Biden, in Delaware for the weekend, respond to Mr. Putin’s threats.

It was the second time in a week that Mr. Putin has reminded the world, and Washington, that he has a massive arsenal and might be tempted to use it. But what made the latest nuclear outburst notable was that it was staged for television, as Mr. Putin told his generals that he was acting because of the West’s “aggressive comments” about Ukraine. Russia’s most senior military officer, Valery Gerasimov, sat stone-faced as Mr. Putin issued his directive, leaving some wondering what he was thinking, and how he might respond.

“It was bizarre,” said Graham T. Allison of Harvard University, whose study of the Kennedy administration’s handling of the Cuban missile crisis, “Essence of Decision,” has been read by generations of international relations students — and many of the national security staff surrounding Mr. Biden today. Mr. Putin’s citation of “aggressive comments” as a justification for putting one of the world’s largest nuclear arsenals on alert status seemed both disproportionate and puzzling, he said. “It makes no sense.”

Professor Allison, who worked on the project to decommission thousands of nuclear weapons that once belonged to the Soviet Union, which centered on Ukraine, said the incident is “adding to the worry that Putin’s grasp on reality may be loosening.”

If one man has 100% unilateral ability to fire nuclear weapons then the world is fucked sooner or later. I find it hard to believe that even if Putin wanted to then he would be stopped.

Russia's sovereignty is not at stake here at all. No one of sane mind is going to attack Russia and march on Moscow.
 
for reference the British army has only had 227 challenger II tanks and 126 light guns in service. The RAF has 101 Typhoons and 23 F-35Bs

if true that's some loss over 5 days
Especially with a budget similar to ours. Plus, they will have had to modernise a lot of their hardware and tech over the years.
 
That's clear from the shift to China and willingness to trade with Iran and other non-aligned states. This conflict weakens Russia either way, it just becomes more dependent on China. Out of the frying pan into the fire. Like Mussolini.

Again you’re spot on, I feel like you’re one of the very few people here able to see past the team sports element of this conflict. I’d add on, Russia knows this is a long project, we could even see them revert to older forms of economics in the coming years, that could stir things up in the West, it should be clear that their strategy now is to court dissidents and bring the West down from within.
 
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