Here is the other part Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
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Here is the other part Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
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I don’t think Ukraine will join nato however I never feel they will want no armed forces and to be able to fend for themselves it’s mad to think Russia expects that.Unfortunately it is not up to Russia if Ukraine decided to join NATO or not. It also would have made no difference or posed no Russia.
I think you are right there mate.I don’t think Ukraine will join nato however I never feel they will want no armed forces and to be able to fend for themselves it’s mad to think Russia expects that.
We should imply a no fly Over Belarus or invade it …….Here we go. Lukashenko meeting Putin and lo and behold… A nice little false flag to bring Belarus in
Wow indeed. What a nut job conspiracy website that is.![]()
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I don't have to be. I can see the result. And there is some content in here about the larger context of European security discussions before the invasion: Long in the Making: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine | Arms Control AssociationYou must have been privy to the negotiations that have gone on leading up to this? I don't see the content being debated anywhere.
As for poisoning, I keep an open mind who was responsible.
I condemn anyone who is involved on NATO's side in egging this on, when it was likely avoidable. I condemn Putin for invading. I would prefer a negotiated settlement, with Russia pulling out. I do not think it's possible for Russia to 'win' in any real sense. If I was in the Russian hierarchy, I would consider getting rid of Putin. What I can't stand though, is the hipocrisy being shown, as if the likes of UK / US have some moral high ground, have never invaded a sovereign country and never killed masses of civilians.Regardless of what you think the timeline may be, it doesn’t justify invading an independent country and doing what the Russians are doing.
Coming up with different timelines and theories is just trying to distract from what is happening on the ground.
A simple question for you: do you condemn Putin, support Ukraine and want the invasion defeated?
This is perhaps the most sensible thing you've said so far. As I've said before, there's a reason Biden in particular has been letting other countries do much of the talking. It's also part of why Johnson pretending to be a leader on this is silly.I condemn anyone who is involved on NATO's side in egging this on, when it was likely avoidable. I condemn Putin for invading. I would prefer a negotiated settlement, with Russia pulling out. I do not think it's possible for Russia to 'win' in any real sense. If I was in the Russian hierarchy, I would consider getting rid of Putin. What I can't stand though, is the hipocrisy being shown, as if the likes of UK / US have some moral high ground, have never invaded a sovereign country and never killed masses of civilians.
Here we go. Lukashenko meeting Putin and lo and behold… A nice little false flag to bring Belarus in
You must have been privy to the negotiations that have gone on leading up to this? I don't see the content being debated anywhere.
As for poisoning, I keep an open mind who was responsible.
No it’s not. It’s the first one you’ve paid attention to.This is the first war to be played out on social media and I just think all of this wrong. Our "world" is fucked, Brooker style fucked.
Where have you been hiding?This is the first war to be played out on social media and I just think all of this wrong. Our "world" is fucked, Brooker style fucked.
The Joint STARS doing laps over Poland now makes sense.Here we go. Lukashenko meeting Putin and lo and behold… A nice little false flag to bring Belarus in
This. Tbf I've been waiting for @Rostov Skate insisting the Russians haven't invaded Ukraine like Lavrov yesterdaypersistently posting Russian claims that you admit you can’t prove is not the actions of someone who has an open mind
Balanced.Why would I need to make my mind up? I'm not involved. There is no analysis of the situation that lead to this in our media It's all just one-sided. If you're happy for that, then that's up to you. Berating people who prefer more balanced analysis of the issues is also your choice.
How are Russia going to suppress an Insurgency? They aren't going to be able to. What's the end game for Ukraine?
Assuming the twats win.
Well it is, actually. Russian claims aren't rubbish just because they're Russian. If we go down that route, where does it lead? I can't prove Ukrainian claims either. What is being used as a burden of proof?persistently posting Russian claims that you admit you can’t prove is not the actions of someone who has an open mind
That's your opinion regarding sensible. All I see on here is a load of pitchforks aimed at Russia / Russians / Putin / The Kremlin / anything Russian.This is perhaps the most sensible thing you've said so far. As I've said before, there's a reason Biden in particular has been letting other countries do much of the talking. It's also part of why Johnson pretending to be a leader on this is silly.
Indeed. There will be 44m very angry people that they have to deal with. No chance. They haven't thought this through.There's zero chance they can control 40m+ people who'll absolutely hate them for what they've already done and likely to do in the coming weeks.
It wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest Russia don't actually expect Ukraine to join NATO and are just using it as an excuse. Russia, like @Roker Skate , have flip flopped between about 10 different reasons for invading.I don’t think Ukraine will join nato however I never feel they will want no armed forces and to be able to fend for themselves it’s mad to think Russia expects that.
Ahhhhhh, good old whataboutery.I condemn anyone who is involved on NATO's side in egging this on, when it was likely avoidable. I condemn Putin for invading. I would prefer a negotiated settlement, with Russia pulling out. I do not think it's possible for Russia to 'win' in any real sense. If I was in the Russian hierarchy, I would consider getting rid of Putin. What I can't stand though, is the hipocrisy being shown, as if the likes of UK / US have some moral high ground, have never invaded a sovereign country and never killed masses of civilians.