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I am sorry excuse my ignorance but is Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay in Europe now?I didn't realise we were now talking about his domestic/European record.
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I am sorry excuse my ignorance but is Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay in Europe now?I didn't realise we were now talking about his domestic/European record.
But you can balance that out against the fact that a lot of his goals have been against shit/mediocre teams, the likes of which weren't around in Charltons day.
Shit international teams weren't around in Charlton's day? Eh? This is the most competitive era ever for international football.
Have a read of where Charlton got the bulk of his goals.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...ally-has-best-england-scoring-record?page=0,1
So by that argument Hurst was better than Charlton?Two in a World Cup semi-final trumps the lot really. Turning up when it counts is more important than numbers.
So by that argument Hurst was better than Charlton?
Both have goals in Champions League finals and its not Rooneys own personal fault we have only ever reached a WC semi final twice...........Doesn't affect the Rooney v Charlton argument.
Both have goals in Champions League finals and its not Rooneys own personal fault we have only ever reached a WC semi final twice...........
Considering a lot of these games were played against the international equivalents of Seaham Comprehensive and Hordon C of E it then its not as good as Chalrton's and Lineker's efforts, or that of Jimmy Greaves. Quite a coup though to break the goal scoring record as he surely now will. Still not performed to any great level in the WC or EC finals though. A bit like England he's not so good when it comes to the big tournaments that require big performances and big goals.46 goals in 100 games is a cracking record for someone who has played in numerous positions for England and not always up front.
Not sure the relevance of that comment.Bit harsh that mate. Done it for Man Utd in numerous high pressure games. He's not been fully fit in a few tournament finals & had to play in under-performing teams in those finals
Charlton scored around 75% of his England goals in friendlies anyway..........including 9 of them in three games where we scored 8 goals...........I'm willing to allow QF goals as equally important.
I'm assuming that you arent implying here that Rooney is better than Bobby Charlton? The latter is clearly far better and far more of an influential player than Rooney has ever been. Not only that but Charlton wasnt primarily a striker.Shit international teams weren't around in Charlton's day? Eh? This is the most competitive era ever for international football.
Have a read of where Charlton got the bulk of his goals.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/wayne-rooney-vs-bobby-charlton-who-really-has-best-england-scoring-record?page=0,1
Have a look at Charltons mate................75% or so in friendlies and three hat tricks in games we scored 8 in............Considering a lot of these games were played against the international equivalents of Seaham Comprehensive and Hordon C of E it then its not as good as Chalrton's and Lineker's efforts, or that of Jimmy Greaves. Quite a coup though to break the goal scoring record as he surely now will. Still not performed to any great level in the WC or EC finals though. A bit like England he's not so good when it comes to the big tournaments that require big performances and big goals.
Not sure the relevance of that comment.
As for the rest of your post - excuse making.
People will have their own stance and thats fine but Charlton wasnt an out and out striker, he mainly played from midfield, and the abundance of woeful international teams nowadays means that IMHO Rooney played, far more games against inferior opposition.Have a look at Charltons mate................75% or so in friendlies and three hat tricks in games we scored 8 in............
Both records can be picked apart in a similar manner...........
I'm amazed that Rooney has scored so many goals given the fact of how shite we have done in the finals of tournaments. IMHO it shows just how many meaningless qualifying games we play against shite. In Charlton's days the WC qualifying groups would have 3 or 4 teams in it maximum and most of the teams were pretty good. Remember there were only 16 teams qualified for say the WC finals in Charlton's days.Bit too much is made of the record imo. Rooney has had an easy run with no real competition for his place, that says more about the standard of top quality England strikers over the last 10 years.
Owen barring injuries and Lineker bar Graham f***ing Taylor would have already beat Charlton's record imo...
Rooneys played all over the place for England as well though,hes never always been an out and out striker..............Charlton played and scored nine times in games where England racked up 24 goals..........England highest win when Rooneys been around was only about6-0 and I think he even missed that one through injury..............People will have their own stance and thats fine but Charlton wasnt an out and out striker, he mainly played from midfield, and the abundance of woeful international teams nowadays means that IMHO Rooney played, far more games against inferior opposition.
I do remember England at that time playing the likes of Cyprus who were hopeless and the likes of Bolivia but overwhelmingly his games will have been against far better opposition than San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Montenegro etc.
A lot of Charlton's games will I imagine have been played in the end of season home internationals but the standard of the Wales, N Ireland and Scotland team was much higher than it is now.
TBF I think your last line hits the nail on the head.Both are excellent records for their country.............
Lineker's record overall is probably the best. Just looked it up and he scored 48 goals in 80 games, which is superb. Not on a par with Gerd Mullers like - 68 goals in 62 internationals.Wasn't Linekers' goals to game record way better than Rooneys'? Sure I saw that in the table of tops scorers the other day...
Anyway, all we are discussing is top scorer here, not who's overall best player.
48 in 80...........mind he always played as a striker but I bet he also has the best stats when you look at how many of England total goals he scored when on the pitch...........generally there were more goals per game when the likes of Charlton played ( his 49 were summat like 20% of the total scored when he was playing).........Wasn't Linekers' goals to game record way better than Rooneys'? Sure I saw that in the table of tops scorers the other day...
Anyway, all we are discussing is top scorer here, not who's overall best player.
Considering a lot of these games were played against the international equivalents of Seaham Comprehensive and Hordon C of E it then its not as good as Chalrton's and Lineker's efforts, or that of Jimmy Greaves. Quite a coup though to break the goal scoring record as he surely now will. Still not performed to any great level in the WC or EC finals though. A bit like England he's not so good when it comes to the big tournaments that require big performances and big goals.
Not sure the relevance of that comment.
As for the rest of your post - excuse making.
TBF I think your last line hits the nail on the head.
Lineker's record overall is probably the best. Just looked it up and he scored 48 goals in 80 games, which is superb. Not on a par with Gerd Mullers like - 68 goals in 62 internationals.
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