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46 goals in 100 games is a cracking record for someone who has played in numerous positions for England and not always up front.
Considering a lot of these games were played against the international equivalents of Seaham Comprehensive and Hordon C of E it then its not as good as Chalrton's and Lineker's efforts, or that of Jimmy Greaves. Quite a coup though to break the goal scoring record as he surely now will. Still not performed to any great level in the WC or EC finals though. A bit like England he's not so good when it comes to the big tournaments that require big performances and big goals.

Bit harsh that mate. Done it for Man Utd in numerous high pressure games. He's not been fully fit in a few tournament finals & had to play in under-performing teams in those finals
Not sure the relevance of that comment.

As for the rest of your post - excuse making.
 
I'm willing to allow QF goals as equally important.
Charlton scored around 75% of his England goals in friendlies anyway..........including 9 of them in three games where we scored 8 goals...........

Rooney has summat like 32 in competitive games............

your turn........
 
Shit international teams weren't around in Charlton's day? Eh? This is the most competitive era ever for international football.

Have a read of where Charlton got the bulk of his goals.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/wayne-rooney-vs-bobby-charlton-who-really-has-best-england-scoring-record?page=0,1
I'm assuming that you arent implying here that Rooney is better than Bobby Charlton? The latter is clearly far better and far more of an influential player than Rooney has ever been. Not only that but Charlton wasnt primarily a striker.
 
Considering a lot of these games were played against the international equivalents of Seaham Comprehensive and Hordon C of E it then its not as good as Chalrton's and Lineker's efforts, or that of Jimmy Greaves. Quite a coup though to break the goal scoring record as he surely now will. Still not performed to any great level in the WC or EC finals though. A bit like England he's not so good when it comes to the big tournaments that require big performances and big goals.

Not sure the relevance of that comment.

As for the rest of your post - excuse making.
Have a look at Charltons mate................75% or so in friendlies and three hat tricks in games we scored 8 in............

Both records can be picked apart in a similar manner...........
 
Bit too much is made of the record imo. Rooney has had an easy run with no real competition for his place, that says more about the standard of top quality England strikers over the last 10 years.

Owen barring injuries and Lineker bar Graham f***ing Taylor would have already beat Charlton's record imo...
 
Have a look at Charltons mate................75% or so in friendlies and three hat tricks in games we scored 8 in............

Both records can be picked apart in a similar manner...........
People will have their own stance and thats fine but Charlton wasnt an out and out striker, he mainly played from midfield, and the abundance of woeful international teams nowadays means that IMHO Rooney played, far more games against inferior opposition.

I do remember England at that time playing the likes of Cyprus who were hopeless and the likes of Bolivia but overwhelmingly his games will have been against far better opposition than San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Montenegro etc.

A lot of Charlton's games will I imagine have been played in the end of season home internationals but the standard of the Wales, N Ireland and Scotland team was much higher than it is now.

Bit too much is made of the record imo. Rooney has had an easy run with no real competition for his place, that says more about the standard of top quality England strikers over the last 10 years.

Owen barring injuries and Lineker bar Graham f***ing Taylor would have already beat Charlton's record imo...
I'm amazed that Rooney has scored so many goals given the fact of how shite we have done in the finals of tournaments. IMHO it shows just how many meaningless qualifying games we play against shite. In Charlton's days the WC qualifying groups would have 3 or 4 teams in it maximum and most of the teams were pretty good. Remember there were only 16 teams qualified for say the WC finals in Charlton's days.

Now we are in groups of 5 or 6 teams and most of them are shit. A case in point is our current group for the EC finals in France. It is now designed for the so called top teams to qualify, not fail.
 
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People will have their own stance and thats fine but Charlton wasnt an out and out striker, he mainly played from midfield, and the abundance of woeful international teams nowadays means that IMHO Rooney played, far more games against inferior opposition.

I do remember England at that time playing the likes of Cyprus who were hopeless and the likes of Bolivia but overwhelmingly his games will have been against far better opposition than San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Montenegro etc.

A lot of Charlton's games will I imagine have been played in the end of season home internationals but the standard of the Wales, N Ireland and Scotland team was much higher than it is now.
Rooneys played all over the place for England as well though,hes never always been an out and out striker..............Charlton played and scored nine times in games where England racked up 24 goals..........England highest win when Rooneys been around was only about6-0 and I think he even missed that one through injury..............

And Bobby played 20 times in Home Internationals but the standard of the opposition wasn't "much higher than it is now".........certainly the jocks had over the period a better side but the likes of Welsh and Irish were hardly anything to write home about throughout the 60"s.................certainly the Welsh didn't have much in the way of Bale/Giggs and Ramseys to choose from............

The point is you can pick holes in either and if you look at minutes actually on the pitch Rooneys 101 games equate to around 80 full appearances whilst Charltons 106 equate to almost 105...............

Both are excellent records for their country.............
 
Wasn't Linekers' goals to game record way better than Rooneys'? Sure I saw that in the table of tops scorers the other day...

Anyway, all we are discussing is top scorer here, not who's overall best player.
 
In terms of english football Rooney will go down as a great - aftere all if the bloke who ends up scoring the most goals in an England shirt in history isnt looked on as great then who is.

But as a world great? No. Bobby Charlton was because he was a major part of the team which won the World Cup. Not the only critera (afrer all Messi and Ronaldo have not) but turning it on in the games that really matter is what separtes the very good from the all time great players. Rooney has not done that enough.

In some ways Rooney is like Jummy Greaves - an english great who scored lots of gorls for his country but not one that the world would recognise as being one on the global stage despite the reach of TX across the planet these days..
 
Both are excellent records for their country.............
TBF I think your last line hits the nail on the head.

Wasn't Linekers' goals to game record way better than Rooneys'? Sure I saw that in the table of tops scorers the other day...

Anyway, all we are discussing is top scorer here, not who's overall best player.
Lineker's record overall is probably the best. Just looked it up and he scored 48 goals in 80 games, which is superb. Not on a par with Gerd Mullers like - 68 goals in 62 internationals. :lol:

Der Bomber!
 
Wasn't Linekers' goals to game record way better than Rooneys'? Sure I saw that in the table of tops scorers the other day...

Anyway, all we are discussing is top scorer here, not who's overall best player.
48 in 80...........mind he always played as a striker but I bet he also has the best stats when you look at how many of England total goals he scored when on the pitch...........generally there were more goals per game when the likes of Charlton played ( his 49 were summat like 20% of the total scored when he was playing).........
 
You can pick any record apart in a general sense but Charlton when it mattered scored two in a World Cup semi in a 2-1 win, besides a stupendous goal in one of the group games.
He also came to the table in a European Cup Final scoring 2 good goals.
He actually started for England on the left wing before being converted as they said in those days to a deep lying centre forward,but he was essentially a central midfielder,his goal scoring record for both country and club is quite remarkable when you consider what position he was playing.
I'm not slagging Rooney though, he's another who's goal scoring record for club and country is tremendous because lets face it he has been switched around a lot position wise,he just hasn't cut it in the major tournaments.
 
Considering a lot of these games were played against the international equivalents of Seaham Comprehensive and Hordon C of E it then its not as good as Chalrton's and Lineker's efforts, or that of Jimmy Greaves. Quite a coup though to break the goal scoring record as he surely now will. Still not performed to any great level in the WC or EC finals though. A bit like England he's not so good when it comes to the big tournaments that require big performances and big goals.

Not sure the relevance of that comment.

As for the rest of your post - excuse making.

It was in the response to the claim that he doesn't perform in high pressure games.

TBF I think your last line hits the nail on the head.


Lineker's record overall is probably the best. Just looked it up and he scored 48 goals in 80 games, which is superb. Not on a par with Gerd Mullers like - 68 goals in 62 internationals. :lol:

Der Bomber!

Jimmy Greave's goals to games ratio is far more impressive - 44 goals in 57 games! Not fair to just look at goals when comparing Lineker to Rooney though. Rooney does alot more outside of the box than Linekar ever did. Linekar was a great goal scorer but aside from that brought alot less to the team than Rooney does
 
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