Rooney retires from international football


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I can be arsed to do the research but there'll be countless others who've won plenty at Utd. I'm glad you mentioned Ronaldo because he was always a good measuring stick for Rooney. When they both first went to Utd they were on a very level footing. Even if you look at their debuts, Ronaldo destroyed Bolton I think and Rooney scored a hat trick in the CL. Ronaldo kind of dropped off a bit and there was a time that people thought he was all fart no shit, Rooney continued do well for for a player of his age. Through sheer hard work Ronaldo has become one of the best players of all time while Rooney has rarely ever even been in the top 10 players in the world at any given time. He's gotten to 31 and people, wrongly imo, are saying he's washed up, but the fact of the matter is Ronaldo who was on a level footing with him 12 years ago is still in the top 2 players in the world, while Rooney is playing at a level that allows people to label him washed up.

If he had anywhere near the commitment of a player like Ronaldo he would have been a far, far better player, and probably one of the best of all time. But the fact is, he's nowhere near that level.

How many of them players that have won a few trophies at Man United were as influential as Rooney?


Ronaldo and Messi are two of the greatest of all time and to criticise him for not reaching their level is very harsh.

Rooney was world class no doubt about it and was certainly in the top 10 of players for a canny few seasons.
 
How many of them players that have won a few trophies at Man United were as influential as Rooney?


Ronaldo and Messi are two of the greatest of all time and to criticise him for not reaching their level is very harsh.

Rooney was world class no doubt about it and was certainly in the top 10 of players for a canny few seasons.

He won everything and while doing so was the best player in the team except for maybe Ronaldo at times
 
He won everything and while doing so was the best player in the team except for maybe Ronaldo at times

He was an absolutely brilliant player.
Ronaldo moved up a level above Rooney and because at one point they were as good as each other it is used as a stick to beat Rooney with.

Ronaldo and Messi will go down as two of the greatest players of all time, just because he didn't reach that level doesn't mean he wasn't great.
 
How many of them players that have won a few trophies at Man United were as influential as Rooney?


Ronaldo and Messi are two of the greatest of all time and to criticise him for not reaching their level is very harsh.

Rooney was world class no doubt about it and was certainly in the top 10 of players for a canny few seasons.
I'm not criticising him for not being as good as Ronaldo, I'm criticising him for not even being close. Especially when you consider they were the same age at the same club and considered very equal players. Look at the difference in their careers since 2006, it's staggering.

He might be Englands all time top scorer but post 2004 name one great Rooney moment in a major tournament. He scores pens against minnows in qualifiers all day long but where it's really mattered on the international stage Rooneys been nowhere near the player he could have been considering the potential he had as a teenager.
 
I'm not criticising him for not being as good as Ronaldo, I'm criticising him for not even being close. Especially when you consider they were the same age at the same club and considered very equal players. Look at the difference in their careers since 2006, it's staggering.

He might be Englands all time top scorer but post 2004 name one great Rooney moment in a major tournament. He scores pens against minnows in qualifiers all day long but where it's really mattered on the international stage Rooneys been nowhere near the player he could have been considering the potential he had as a teenager.

It's one of two things for Rooney, he either didn't reach his potential or just peaked.
Whichever one it is though you can't say he wasn't world class. His medal haul and individual accolades/records show that.

I do think that because of the way he plays he was sacrificed by Ferguson to accommodate Ronaldo.
If he was played as the main striker for the majority of his career he'd would have been even better.


He played for England at a time when everyone thought they should have won something. He had that one tournament as a 17 year old and was absolutely brilliant but this meant the pressure was on him to perform like that in every tournament since.
In 2006 he clearly wasn't fit and that really showed and in the other tournaments we just weren't as good as a team.
 
He was no worse than Gerrard ever was for England and was playing a lot on the f***ing left wing in that time. He was better at international level than Gerrard ever was

He was only shunted out to left wing after a couple of years of under performing.

Even taking England out of it, Lampard and Gerrard were still both better than him in my opinion.
 
It's one of two things for Rooney, he either didn't reach his potential or just peaked.
Whichever one it is though you can't say he wasn't world class. His medal haul and individual accolades/records show that.

I do think that because of the way he plays he was sacrificed by Ferguson to accommodate Ronaldo.
If he was played as the main striker for the majority of his career he'd would have been even better.


He played for England at a time when everyone thought they should have won something. He had that one tournament as a 17 year old and was absolutely brilliant but this meant the pressure was on him to perform like that in every tournament since.
In 2006 he clearly wasn't fit and that really showed and in the other tournaments we just weren't as good as a team.
I think at times Rooney has been world class. I also think if you compare his tournament record to the likes of Klose or the original Ronaldo and it pales in significance.

I also think the Utd and England comparison is an interesting cavet, Rooney won a lot at united in a time post ferguson looks like a team that over achieved. So you put the same player in a England team that a lot more was expected from and for him to be so ineffective does that mean United success was down to a fantastic team effort and less to do with Rooneys influence? If Rooney was such a influential player shouldn't he have been able to thrive in a team of such talent?
 
I think at times Rooney has been world class. I also think if you compare his tournament record to the likes of Klose or the original Ronaldo and it pales in significance.

I also think the Utd and England comparison is an interesting cavet, Rooney won a lot at united in a time post ferguson looks like a team that over achieved. So you put the same player in a England team that a lot more was expected from and for him to be so ineffective does that mean United success was down to a fantastic team effort and less to do with Rooneys influence? If Rooney was such a influential player shouldn't he have been able to thrive in a team of such talent?

England in the last 10 years have been underwhelming and are a team that have had a lot of problems behind the scenes. Rooney hasn't performed well but let's remember he isn't the only world class player England have had that hasn't performed in tournaments.

His club record has been that of a world class player.
When Rooney was in his prime Manchester United and English domestic football was as strong as it's ever been.
Ask any Man United fan about his influence and they'll say he was one of the more vital players they had in a time where they were as successful as they have ever been. He was a brilliant player and if he was more selfish he would have even better stats.


His England career will always go down as a disappointment and that's despite being the all time top goalscorer!
 
He was no worse than Gerrard ever was for England and was playing a lot on the f***ing left wing in that time. He was better at international level than Gerrard ever was
Scholes only played about 4 games on the left though, it's a total myth that he was shunted out there for long periods.

Lampard had actually played on the left quite a bit before that but was way outperforming Scholes for club and country.

Gerrard played on the left under Capello years later for much longer.

Scholes was dreadful for England under Keegan and Sven up to when he retired. That's a good 3-4 years when he was picked on name only and only played on the left at Euro 2004 to get him in the team, he didn't deserve a place on merit.

Scholes was a quality player but people rewrite history now. He had been awful for England for a long time when he retired.

And it was hardly the left wing in a flat midfield anyway, it was left of a diamond
 
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