[roker report] The "Udinese Model"


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Valentino Angeloni is the name on the lips of many Sunderland fans at the moment, as reports circulate that his arrival on Wearside is imminent. It's no surprise that supporters are excited at the prospect of his addition to the club's staff, given that he spent four years working as a member of one of the most successful and renowned scouting...

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Very good article from Roker report yet again about how Udinese's scouting system is set up. If this is what we are aiming for then i'm definitely all for it.

The surprising part is that Udinese currently have a stake in over 120 players!!!!

http://www.rokerreport.com/2013/6/6/4396114/the-udinese-model

I recently had a look at Udinese's transfer dealings and they ran a net profit on transfer dealings in every one of the last 7 or 8 seasons. Some of those included particularly massive profits too.

They're not the only ones either, plenty of clubs punch above their weight by utilising a proper scouting system, like the Portuguese clubs who, despite coming from a small league, can still compete in Europe by unearthing gems and then selling them on for huge amounts.

People seem to be panicking at the idea of us "working on the cheap", when it really isn't a case of that. It's working "smart". You look for gems at low prices, and spend larger amounts on the right players who are more likely to get your money back, or more.
 
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I recently had a look at Udinese's transfer dealings and they ran a net profit on transfer dealings in every one of the last 7 or 8 seasons. Some of those included particularly massive profits too.

They're not the only ones either, plenty of clubs punch above their weight by utilising a proper scouting system, like the Portuguese clubs who, despite coming from a small league, can still compete in Europe by unearthing gems and then selling them on for huge amounts.

People seem to be panicking at the idea of us "working on the cheap", when it really isn't a case of that. It's working "smart". You look for gems at low prices, and spend larger amounts on the right players who are more likely to get your money back, or more.

The problem with going down this route is that if we look to sell one of our decent players like Udinese do, even for a great profit, people will start moaning. Just look at Mignolet.

If we are going to go down this route people need to accept that good players will leave
 
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Seeing good players leave will be frustrating. Watching shite players for years on end is depressing.
What would we prefer?
 
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The problem with going down this route is that if we look to sell one of our decent players like Udinese do, even for a great profit, people will start moaning. Just look at Mignolet.

If we are going to go down this route people need to accept that good players will leave

Moaning has little impact on the clubs bank accounts though
 
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The problem with going down this route is that if we look to sell one of our decent players like Udinese do, even for a great profit, people will start moaning. Just look at Mignolet.

If we are going to go down this route people need to accept that good players will leave

I think people need to accept that good players will leave irrelevant of what route we go down. We're not a big enough club to hold onto top players, like Mig.
 
The problem with going down this route is that if we look to sell one of our decent players like Udinese do, even for a great profit, people will start moaning. Just look at Mignolet.

If we are going to go down this route people need to accept that good players will leave

If we become successful at it and people can see the progress, one starlet being nurtured, exposed and then sold on with another ready to start the same process, I think the fans would calm and get behind the idea.

I think the only reason we are panicking now is because whenever we've sold stars in the past they've never been replaced, despite how large a fee we receive.
 
Very good article from Roker report yet again about how Udinese's scouting system is set up. If this is what we are aiming for then i'm definitely all for it.

The surprising part is that Udinese currently have a stake in over 120 players!!!!

http://www.rokerreport.com/2013/6/6/4396114/the-udinese-model

Cracking article from a site that's really standing out at the moment. Better journalism (about us anyway) than I've seen in any of the mainstream media in a long while.
 
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I recently had a look at Udinese's transfer dealings and they ran a net profit on transfer dealings in every one of the last 7 or 8 seasons. Some of those included particularly massive profits too.

They're not the only ones either, plenty of clubs punch above their weight by utilising a proper scouting system, like the Portuguese clubs who, despite coming from a small league, can still compete in Europe by unearthing gems and then selling them on for huge amounts.

People seem to be panicking at the idea of us "working on the cheap", when it really isn't a case of that. It's working "smart". You look for gems at low prices, and spend larger amounts on the right players who are more likely to get your money back, or more.

I bet their league placings were improving year on year also

I can see alot of players coming in over the next few months, with a lot of them being loaned straigh back out again. The likes of Whatmore (sorry can't remember his name if i've got it wrong) coming in for peanuts, will probably then go out on loan to a div 1 side, if he does well, will get sold on for a profit.

I personally think it's a very smart system and one that is needed for us to start making a profit.
 
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The problem with going down this route is that if we look to sell one of our decent players like Udinese do, even for a great profit, people will start moaning. Just look at Mignolet.

If we are going to go down this route people need to accept that good players will leave

True, but people will always find things to complain about. Especially on here.
 
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Until and if we are regularly in the CL we will sell our best players on. Also some of the lesser teams who are not in the Cl and frankly may not break into it, like Liverpool if they come along and offer what is really silly money for players we will take it also. That business.
 
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I bet their league placings were improving year on year also

I can see alot of players coming in over the next few months, with a lot of them being loaned straigh back out again. The likes of Whatmore (sorry can't remember his name if i've got it wrong) coming in for peanuts, will probably then go out on loan to a div 1 side, if he does well, will get sold on for a profit.

I personally think it's a very smart system and one that is needed for us to start making a profit.

Absolutely. Clubs like this operate a system where they pick up lots of promising players, and only need to make a big profit on one of them to cover the costs for all of them and make a profit on top.

This is where we are in the world, and even more so now that the financial fair play rules are in force. We need to invest in players that are likely to get us our money back instead of spending 6m on a player like Craig Gardner who was never, ever, ever going to be worth 6m to any other club if we ever decided to sell him. That's "dead money" - and for a player who was only ever going to have a limited influence on the footballing side.

You can only get away with paying big money on the finished article in very exceptional circumstances - Darren Bent for example.
 
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It's a fine line to balance though. As Margaret Byrne said, selling your best players is a relegation model.
 
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It's a fine line to balance though. As Margaret Byrne said, selling your best players is a relegation model.

Not the case.

Many a top club sells its best players but is nowhere near relegation.

Aside from the Udinese model, you can also look at the Lyon model, and Dortmund are now getting a lot of press due to similar way that they have run things.

One of the things we continually fail on, is overpaying for average players, who then think they have made it and fall into a comfort zone and we effectively have to move them on for very little.

Buy players with the desire to improve and achieve more, then you benefit from them benig at your club doing that, and then you benefit from increasing your resources if you are selling them for large fees.

The difficulty with such models though, especially in England, is the fans desire for big names. Lyon, Udinese etc havent had to put up with the expectation.
 
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Not the case.

Many a top club sells its best players but is nowhere near relegation.

Aside from the Udinese model, you can also look at the Lyon model, and Dortmund are now getting a lot of press due to similar way that they have run things.

One of the things we continually fail on, is overpaying for average players, who then think they have made it and fall into a comfort zone and we effectively have to move them on for very little.

Buy players with the desire to improve and achieve more, then you benefit from them benig at your club doing that, and then you benefit from increasing your resources if you are selling them for large fees.

The difficulty with such models though, especially in England, is the fans desire for big names. Lyon, Udinese etc havent had to put up with the expectation.

Key words, top club. We aren't a top club yet, we haven't got the squad of a top club which is why if we continually sell our best players, the inevitable will happen eventually.

I'd love it if we were one day like Dortmund, Lyon etc but it seems in this country, the financial implications of failure are too big a risk to take chances in academy products etc. Hopefully Di Canio can change that and take us to new heights.
 
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We haven't sold anybody yet...Mingolet it appears was negotiating a contract months ago but our relegation threats put it on hold....he may decide to stay yet but if he doesn't sign a new deal then it would be difficult to turn down a big offer this summer...got to cash in sometimes.
Only the fringe players will leave this summer and maybe Graham ....what happens after that who knows...but we've seen relegation battles for years so our new methods shouldn't concern the fans too much...
If half of our cheap signings turn out to be premiership standard then thats a good job done...we've blown millions on players and given them a free after..
 
Key words, top club. We aren't a top club yet, we haven't got the squad of a top club which is why if we continually sell our best players, the inevitable will happen eventually.

I'd love it if we were one day like Dortmund, Lyon etc but it seems in this country, the financial implications of failure are too big a risk to take chances in academy products etc. Hopefully Di Canio can change that and take us to new heights.

Given we have to punch above our weight I don't see how we can afford not to do everything that's aimed at getting better players for better prices. Even Utd have always placed an emphasis on younger players because when the best players are at their peak and proven successes, they often can't compete financially with their continental rivals.

We can't avoid players leaving if a top club wants them, we need to get into a position where we have lots of good players and plenty more coming through so that *when* a player does leave it's not the end of the world.

I'm not saying our approach is going to crack it but we're aiming to emulate a club from the north east of its country, not as fashionable as the big clubs, with a population of about 200k in the city, who went from a yoyo team to challenging for a Champions League place. Sounds good to me and more than just about the balance sheet
 
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