[roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusions


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Captain_Fishpaste said:
Very interesting. If the money is there, meaning the opportunity is there, you wonder why they don't just relax the rules and go for it.

Not sure mate. Would be interesting to try to find out why that rule exists in the first place.
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

Perhaps it's cos they're trying to get FIFA to relax the rules instead.

Principally the rules about changing your nationality ...

Aye trying to get it reduced from 5 years to 3 I think I read somewhere.
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

Marcotti on The Times podcast was pretty scathing about us. Blaming the club more than blaming Gyan. The Guardian podcast suggested he was a dead man walking too.

I need to catch up with these. Haven't listened to the Times one for some time. Was this Monday's edition when Marcotti was having a dig? Which Guardian writers were taking a pop? Glendenning?

I quite enjoyed the article - plenty of it could be true. But, what you're saying there seems wrong - Larsson and Bendtner have now signed for Bruce twice which is surely proof enough that they like him. Actions speak louder etc etc I've also heard Robbie Savage say very good things about SB on 606 and he sounds genuine enough.
All this means is some like him and some don't though! It'd be ok if we didn't keep losing star strikers.

The players who "like him" don't look particularly great compared to what we have let go though, do they? Bendtner is a decent player, but a significant step down from Bent and arguably Gyan. Larsson is just an average footballer. If having Bruce means we can attract these sort of players, then I wouldn't say that its a massive plus. Any other manager could have come in and had someone similar lined up who wanted to play for them. If you were talking about a top European talent here, then fair enough, but we're talking about average players who are part of a squad regression.
 
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Whilst this seems to be CF in 'dog with a bone' mode it's certainly well written - if not a bit conjecture heavy.

One thought on the Gyan unhappy angle. Weren't there reports that Muntari was causing all sorts of trouble around the club on his arrival? I'd probably back this as being the root of Gyans unhappiness more than some corinthian desire for the club to demonstrate ambition. As I've said before, Gyans choice of move says everything you need to know about his ambitions IMO - regardless of when the move finally occurred in the timeline.

BTW, excellent effort at trying to indirectly pull Bardsley into the argument (with no idea on how big his contract is, obviously). Real dedication to the grudge, that. I like it. :lol:;)
 
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Whilst this seems to be CF in 'dog with a bone' mode it's certainly well written - if not a bit conjecture heavy.

One thought on the Gyan unhappy angle. Weren't there reports that Muntari was causing all sorts of trouble around the club on his arrival? I'd probably back this as being the root of Gyans unhappiness more than some corinthian desire for the club to demonstrate ambition. As I've said before, Gyans choice of move says everything you need to know about his ambitions IMO - regardless of when the move finally occurred in the timeline.

BTW, excellent effort at trying to indirectly pull Bardsley into the argument (with no idea on how big his contract is, obviously). Real dedication to the grudge, that. I like it. :lol:;)

I have zero agenda at all, whether it is regarding Bruce or Bardsley or anyone, and I certainly don't have any grudges. All I can do is try and objectively comment on this as I see them. For example, not so long ago that I was being accused of being in permanent state of 'dog with bone' mode regarding advocating patience in Bruce. But I am genuinely not entrenched in any position.

People say it is speculative and conjecture heavy but of course it is. It is just one person's opinion. Your middle paragraph is extremely conjecture heavy, too. But what I haven't done in the blog is state some mad-cap theory I have plucked out of the air. I've shown my workings, so to speak. So people can easily disagree with my conclusions, but they can't accuse them of not being considered.

Regarding Bardsley, I only put that in there because it was a matter of public record. So even when I am purposely avoiding conjecture as much as possible, I still can't win. :lol:
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

I have zero agenda at all, whether it is regarding Bruce or Bardsley or anyone, and I certainly don't have any grudges. All I can do is try and objectively comment on this as I see them. For example, not so long ago that I was being accused of being in permanent state of 'dog with bone' mode regarding advocating patience in Bruce. But I am genuinely not entrenched in any position.

People say it is speculative and conjecture heavy but of course it is. It is just one person's opinion. Your middle paragraph is extremely conjecture heavy, too. But what I haven't done in the blog is state some mad-cap theory I have plucked out of the air. I've shown my workings, so to speak. So people can easily disagree with my conclusions, but they can't accuse them of not being considered.

Regarding Bardsley, I only put that in there because it was a matter of public record. So even when I am purposely avoiding conjecture as much as possible, I still can't win. :lol:

If,as you say,Bruce is a man to whom players find it difficult to respond,where,in your opinion,does this leave Quinny,who moved heaven and earth to appoint him.?
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

If,as you say,Bruce is a man to whom players find it difficult to respond,where,in your opinion,does this leave Quinny,who moved heaven and earth to appoint him.?

Let down by an under-performing manager who has been well-supported, just like the rest of us.
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

Let down by an under-performing manager who has been well-supported, just like the rest of us.

But....are you suggesting he's displaying new characteristics with us that he hasn't shown before in his previous jobs?
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

But....are you suggesting he's displaying new characteristics with us that he hasn't shown before in his previous jobs?

Not really. Whether or not Bruce's management style would succeed at an ambitious club looking to achieve more than simple survival was a question mark that has hung over his head right from the beginning. It was always something he had to prove. For me, his latest inability to keep a top player motivated and focused has provided the answer.
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

What an utterly shit article and a waste of 5 minutes of my life
 
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Whilst this seems to be CF in 'dog with a bone' mode it's certainly well written - if not a bit conjecture heavy.

One thought on the Gyan unhappy angle. Weren't there reports that Muntari was causing all sorts of trouble around the club on his arrival? I'd probably back this as being the root of Gyans unhappiness more than some corinthian desire for the club to demonstrate ambition. As I've said before, Gyans choice of move says everything you need to know about his ambitions IMO - regardless of when the move finally occurred in the timeline.

BTW, excellent effort at trying to indirectly pull Bardsley into the argument (with no idea on how big his contract is, obviously). Real dedication to the grudge, that. I like it. :lol:;)
Crying 'conjecture' is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Bliddy hell! Someone giving an opinion on a messageboard, whatever next?

Your own post is of course heaving with conjecture. I would like to take this opportunity to patronise you for daring to have an opinion. ;)
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

Crying 'conjecture' is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Bliddy hell! Someone giving an opinion on a messageboard, whatever next?

Your own post is of course heaving with conjecture. I would like to take this opportunity to patronise you for daring to have an opinion. ;)

He's like a dog with a bone, man. ;) :lol:
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

Not really. Whether or not Bruce's management style would succeed at an ambitious club looking to achieve more than simple survival was a question mark that has hung over his head right from the beginning. It was always something he had to prove. For me, his latest inability to keep a top player motivated and focused has provided the answer.

So his appointment was a gamble,which has failed?
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

So his appointment was a gamble,which has failed?

I think any appointment is a gamble. I think we knew Bruce had the skills to vastly improve our player recruitment, which he has, so I wouldn't label it a total failure. May be 'it hasn't succeeded to the level we hoped' would be a fairer way to describe it.
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

An article based on the following false premise:

"But I think we would perhaps be a little naive to put this all down to money."

Well, call me naive then. I believe that the departure of Bent or Gyan was completely about money - the offer of much better elsewhere, agents looking for the whopping commissions arising from a change of club, and our Board's (not Bruce's) refusal to meet demands they considered excessive. Look for anti-Bruce motives as much as you like - it was money, money, money.
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

An article based on the following false premise:

"But I think we would perhaps be a little naive to put this all down to money."

Well, call me naive then. I believe that the departure of Bent or Gyan was completely about money - the offer of much better elsewhere, agents looking for the whopping commissions arising from a change of club, and our Board's (not Bruce's) refusal to meet demands they considered excessive. Look for anti-Bruce motives as much as you like - it was money, money, money.

It isn't BASED on that premise at all.

It is based on a question: If greedy players and mischievous agents are not something unique to SAFC, then why is top players leaving for lesser leagues and lower clubs with this kind of regularity pretty much unique to SAFC, (certainly in the Premier League, anyway).

The rest is just exploring that question, speculating on a few possibilities, and drawing my own personal conclusion.
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

It isn't BASED on that premise at all.

It is based on a question: If greedy players and mischievous agents are not something unique to SAFC, then why is top players leaving for lesser leagues and lower clubs with this kind of regularity pretty much unique to SAFC, (certainly in the Premier League, anyway).

The rest is just exploring that question, speculating on a few possibilities, and drawing my own personal conclusion.

Cana - left for a lesser league, yes, but for European football, so certainly not a lower club.

Bent - left for the same league, to a club which is on a par, if not better than us due to their lack of yo-yo-ing in recent years unlike ourselves.

Gyan is the only one who fits into your description, so you can hardly say there's any regularity about it...
 
Re: [roker report] Captain's Blog: At Bruce's Behest - Drawing My Own Gyan Conclusion

It isn't BASED on that premise at all.

It is based on a question: If greedy players and mischievous agents are not something unique to SAFC, then why is top players leaving for lesser leagues and lower clubs with this kind of regularity pretty much unique to SAFC, (certainly in the Premier League, anyway).

The rest is just exploring that question, speculating on a few possibilities, and drawing my own personal conclusion.
Why were we excluded from the original football league and why were our slappers excluded from the Women's 'Super League'?
 
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