Nookie Bear
Winger
People setting off fireworks need setting on fire themselves , no need especially when it’s not even dark
Right - outside - now
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look out piano
Striker
Was one street over Nooks, didn't really bother me that much tbh - it was just nice that folks were getting involved.
The Albanian
Winger
and while they’re in the house, they’re posting on Facebook about how Boris is actually sound and how good a job the government are doing - despite no PPE for people in the NHS and the people they’re clapping for dying quite literally because of it
Don’t think it’s you that Nookie Bear is worried about tbh
there will have been numerous pets and animals absolutely terrified needlessly
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Veritable smorgasboa
Goalkeeper
140 billion a year to run the nhs is a f***ing hell of a lot of money, bottomless pit imho but wouldn’t want it changed, it’s a lifesaver,but both parties have been accused of not funding enough in the past.
japs
Striker
Ridiculous a drum kit mind. Kids are in bed.
PTR
Striker
The tories pull this shit too (across all public services). Quote a massive number, then state, without context "well, that's a lot of money we've put in". As if a big number automatically means its enough.
Its an absolute bullshit argument.
£638bn total tax revenue
£153bn spent on the NHS
24% of all revenue goes to the NHS. (Welfare & pensions are ~36%, Education 12%, Defence 5%, for reference)
In 2013, the NHS said they neede £30bn more to cope with the changing dynamics of healthcare (higher costs, ageing population etc) - this wasn't to increase quality, just to maintain it
Tories gave them £8bn, and then a few years later increased that to £10bn. Telling the NHS to find the other £20bn themselves.
Yeah, because the NHS hasn't tried to cut costs before.
And this is exactly what causes the situation I outlined about - Cuts cause stress on jobs, unhappyness in careers. This causes people to leave, and prevents recruitment because people don't want to join under these circumstances. Which causes things to get worse, more people to leave. And then you end up with
"In total, there were 41,722 nursing vacancies in the NHS compared to 35,794 in the fourth quarter of 2017-18 "
Rise in nurse vacancy rate in England prompts fresh warnings | Nursing Times
The nursing vacancy rate in England rose 17% between April and June this year, compared to the previous quarter, and 9% from the same point last year,
www.nursingtimes.net
The point is, it costs what it costs. Not whatever big number you are scared of. The entire point of a tax system is to raise money to protect the people of that land.
Fact is, if the NHS had been properly supported when it asked in 2013, we'd have been FAR better placed to cope with this emergency. And we wouldn't have failed ever A&E performance target since the Tories were in power (to the point where the metrics have been abandoned now, as they are simply no longer possible under this regime).
But by all means, vote for these people, and then go out and clap for the people who are being thrown the lions.
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Bob Fleming
Striker
That post deserves a clap actually.The tories pull this shit too (across all public services). Quote a massive number, then state, without context "well, that's a lot of money we've put in". As if a big number automatically means its enough.
Its an absolute bullshit argument.
£638bn total tax revenue
£153bn spent on the NHS
24% of all revenue goes to the NHS. (Welfare & pensions are ~36%, Education 12%, Defence 5%, for reference)
In 2013, the NHS said they neede £30bn more to cope with the changing dynamics of healthcare (higher costs, ageing population etc) - this wasn't to increase quality, just to maintain it
Tories gave them £8bn, and then a few years later increased that to £10bn. Telling the NHS to find the other £20bn themselves.
Yeah, because the NHS hasn't tried to cut costs before.
And this is exactly what causes the situation I outlined about - Cuts cause stress on jobs, unhappyness in careers. This causes people to leave, and prevents recruitment because people don't want to join under these circumstances. Which causes things to get worse, more people to leave. And then you end up with
"In total, there were 41,722 nursing vacancies in the NHS compared to 35,794 in the fourth quarter of 2017-18 "
Rise in nurse vacancy rate in England prompts fresh warnings | Nursing Times
The nursing vacancy rate in England rose 17% between April and June this year, compared to the previous quarter, and 9% from the same point last year,
The point is, it costs what it costs. Not whatever big number you are scared of. The entire point of a tax system is to raise money to protect the people of that land.
Fact is, if the NHS had been properly supported when it asked in 2013, we'd have been FAR better placed to cope with this emergency. And we wouldn't have failed ever A&E performance target since the Tories were in power (to the point where the metrics have been abandoned now, as they are simply no longer possible under this regime).
But by all means, vote for these people, and then go out and clap for the people who are being thrown the lions.
Well I don’t clap.
I live in a village /ward that voted Tory and each and every one of them did that knowing exactly what this government thought of the nhs and the lowest paid in society and now my neighbours are outside bashing pans supporting us nhs worker when only a few months ago voted to oppress its workers with pay cuts and budget restraints.
Hypocrisy those clapping in south east Cornwall imo
Hull_Mackem
Striker
Deliberately adding to the work load of of over stretched NHS by requiring two amputated hands to be operated on. Should be ashamed
Falconhoof
Winger
look out piano
Striker
Deliberately adding to the work load of of over stretched NHS by requiring two amputated hands to be operated on. Should be ashamed
Bob Fleming
Striker
It's heartening to remember the good folk of Sunderland voted for helping the NHS back in December. We can hold our heads high when clapping on a Thursday evening. Such a shame the rest of this selfish country are displaying such rank hypocrisy at the same time.
Imagine all those people of Bishop or Redcar out clapping
Imagine all those people of Bishop or Redcar out clapping
Interesting you quote 2013 when the world was in a recession.The tories pull this shit too (across all public services). Quote a massive number, then state, without context "well, that's a lot of money we've put in". As if a big number automatically means its enough.
Its an absolute bullshit argument.
£638bn total tax revenue
£153bn spent on the NHS
24% of all revenue goes to the NHS. (Welfare & pensions are ~36%, Education 12%, Defence 5%, for reference)
In 2013, the NHS said they neede £30bn more to cope with the changing dynamics of healthcare (higher costs, ageing population etc) - this wasn't to increase quality, just to maintain it
Tories gave them £8bn, and then a few years later increased that to £10bn. Telling the NHS to find the other £20bn themselves.
Yeah, because the NHS hasn't tried to cut costs before.
And this is exactly what causes the situation I outlined about - Cuts cause stress on jobs, unhappyness in careers. This causes people to leave, and prevents recruitment because people don't want to join under these circumstances. Which causes things to get worse, more people to leave. And then you end up with
"In total, there were 41,722 nursing vacancies in the NHS compared to 35,794 in the fourth quarter of 2017-18 "
Rise in nurse vacancy rate in England prompts fresh warnings | Nursing Times
The nursing vacancy rate in England rose 17% between April and June this year, compared to the previous quarter, and 9% from the same point last year,
The point is, it costs what it costs. Not whatever big number you are scared of. The entire point of a tax system is to raise money to protect the people of that land.
Fact is, if the NHS had been properly supported when it asked in 2013, we'd have been FAR better placed to cope with this emergency. And we wouldn't have failed ever A&E performance target since the Tories were in power (to the point where the metrics have been abandoned now, as they are simply no longer possible under this regime).
But by all means, vote for these people, and then go out and clap for the people who are being thrown the lions.
Over the history of the NHS the Tories have been in power a heck of a lot more years than Labour so this old tripe of the Tories always destroying our beloved NHS is simply not true .
Last labour watch saddled the NHS with debt and also didn’t exactly do well with dirty hospitals and super bugs.
All parties don’t do justice to the NHS and it’s too big to pass about every 5 years . There needs to be a major rehaul of how it is looked after by a fit for purpose cross party organisation.
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I clap for the people who are on the frontline working their arses off caring and saving lives under extremely distressing and arduous circumstances. I am not clapping for the NHS itself, which is a lumbering overmanaged overadministered spendthrift organisation.
PTR
Striker
Ok, I'll take those 2 separately.
1 - The figures I quotes were from financial year end 2019. Not 2013.
The £30bn more needed just to maintain figure was from 2013, and its still valid today, so I don't see what other option I had there, or what your point even was anyway?
2 - Ah, classic whatabourarry. Labour made some mistakes, therefore Tories can do f***ing anything. Is that the point you're making, because if it is, its a f***ing shit one.
There is utterly no question that when Tony Blair came to power, the NHS was on its knees, and the Labour party had to rebuild it into a fairly decent service by all measures.
Then the Tories came back to power, and its on its knees again
That is not a coincidence. Not at all.
The massive irony being they're setting off fireworks and putting themselves and others at risk of injury and the NHS is already creaking at the seams. f***ing brainless.
Imagine all those people of Bishop or Redcar out clapping
I wonder if only 62% got off their arses to show appreciation too
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Veritable smorgasboa
Goalkeeper
Fuck you on about me go and vote for them. Just gave you a opinion, don’t need a lecture, get off your soapbox man.The tories pull this shit too (across all public services). Quote a massive number, then state, without context "well, that's a lot of money we've put in". As if a big number automatically means its enough.
Its an absolute bullshit argument.
£638bn total tax revenue
£153bn spent on the NHS
24% of all revenue goes to the NHS. (Welfare & pensions are ~36%, Education 12%, Defence 5%, for reference)
In 2013, the NHS said they neede £30bn more to cope with the changing dynamics of healthcare (higher costs, ageing population etc) - this wasn't to increase quality, just to maintain it
Tories gave them £8bn, and then a few years later increased that to £10bn. Telling the NHS to find the other £20bn themselves.
Yeah, because the NHS hasn't tried to cut costs before.
And this is exactly what causes the situation I outlined about - Cuts cause stress on jobs, unhappyness in careers. This causes people to leave, and prevents recruitment because people don't want to join under these circumstances. Which causes things to get worse, more people to leave. And then you end up with
"In total, there were 41,722 nursing vacancies in the NHS compared to 35,794 in the fourth quarter of 2017-18 "
Rise in nurse vacancy rate in England prompts fresh warnings | Nursing Times
The nursing vacancy rate in England rose 17% between April and June this year, compared to the previous quarter, and 9% from the same point last year,
The point is, it costs what it costs. Not whatever big number you are scared of. The entire point of a tax system is to raise money to protect the people of that land.
Fact is, if the NHS had been properly supported when it asked in 2013, we'd have been FAR better placed to cope with this emergency. And we wouldn't have failed ever A&E performance target since the Tories were in power (to the point where the metrics have been abandoned now, as they are simply no longer possible under this regime).
But by all means, vote for these people, and then go out and clap for the people who are being thrown the lions.
Did you think it was shameful for Thatcher to enable council house tenants to buy their homes at enormously favourable prices? Bastards, those Tories!
tunstallhill
Striker
Is that the policy people were voting for in december 2019?
The video of them cheering when voting down nurses payrises was widely shared in the lead up to the latest election. People simply weren't bothered about it
