sheepfarmer
Midfield
“Employment” is not a verb to describe employing someone.
Ricky Alvarez
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19FTM73
Midfield
Probably has som sort of professional indemnity insurance for professional fuck ups
Pepe
Striker
How does 'couldn't give a flying one' fit in?
sheepfarmer
Midfield
Just explaining my confusion about who you were talking about
Laidback Jack
Striker
Probably SEB but according to this we're sueing him because apparently he wasn't there for the medical. As a result we didn't have professional advice over the transfer and the subsequent downfall of it.
theathletic.com
Doctors’ fears as Sunderland sue
The recent international break gave Premier League club doctors a chance to hold an emergency meeting and top of the agenda was the case of the former Sunderland medic Ishtiaq Rehman.
Run an internet search on Dr Rehman and you will find the full, extraordinary details of a situation that could have enormous ramifications, not only for football but sport as a whole.
Sunderland are suing their ex-employee for more than £13 million in relation to his role in the signing of Argentinian midfielder Ricky Alvarez from Inter Milan on 31 August 2014.
Alvarez’s time on Wearside was plagued by injury and Sunderland allege that Dr Rehman “did not oversee the medical appropriately, or act with best practice”. Barring of a private settlement, this is going to the High Court as Sunderland seek damages for breach of contract and negligence.
Their claim centres on the accusation that Dr Rehman was not present at Alvarez’s medical — he was with the first-team squad as they prepared for an away game at Queen’s Park Rangers on 30 August — and instead used four other medical experts to conduct the tests.
In relation to queries about the state of the player’s knees, Dr Rehman, who has yet to file a defence at the High Court, reportedly told his superiors this was “not of any concern” and the fateful deal proceeded.
If Sunderland are successful with their challenge, one Premier League doctor tells me it could both “open the floodgates” for clubs to take retrospective action against their own medics over failed signings and wreak havoc with the recruitment process.
These meetings tend to take place two or three times a year and are usually attended by about half of the top division’s doctors. This one, in London on October 8, drew a full house and there were also lawyers and indemnity specialists on hand to offer information and advice.
“It was emotional and actually quite frightening,” says a source who was in the room. “We’re all pretty nervous — if Dr Rehman is found guilty, the implications are going to be enormous.
“You can’t get into this business at our level without a taking a degree of risk. You can’t sit there and say a player is 100% going to be fine and if your own club is going to do what Sunderland are doing to Dr Rehman, you’re just not going to put yourself in that position any more.
“This concept of players ‘passing’ or ‘failing’ a medical is plain wrong. I’d never go to a manager and say, ‘Yes, he’s passed’ or, ‘No, he’s failed’. I give a degree of risk and say, ‘I can’t guarantee he’s going to play 100 games but I can tell you we’ll get him fit and keep him at this level’.
“What’s the other option — do medicals independently? Nobody is going to independently indemnify doctors who don’t work for the club. And clubs won’t want it done independently. How on earth are you going to make a £70m decision on the advice of someone you’re never met and who has never worked for the club and doesn’t know the demands or the training?
“We know how our players work, we know what they’re expected to do. But we’re sitting here and thinking, ‘If we’re going to be sued for £13m, we can’t do it’.”
Complicating matters is the lack of precedent, making the Dr Rehman case potentially pivotal.
“There’s nothing to compare this to in the UK — nobody deals with anywhere near the value of sportspeople that we do,” adds the source. “The lawyers told us that in the USA a piece of legislation was passed many years ago that prevents club employees for being sued like this.
“This would be the ideal scenario for us, but the lawyers said the chances of that happening are virtually nil, unless the Premier League agree it. We want the clubs to write something into our contracts that basically says, ‘Barring negligence, we will not screw you’.”
The lawyers present suggested Dr Rehman’s High Court case would last two or three weeks and produce an outcome in the early part of next year.
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theathletic.com
Doctors’ fears as Sunderland sue
The recent international break gave Premier League club doctors a chance to hold an emergency meeting and top of the agenda was the case of the former Sunderland medic Ishtiaq Rehman.
Run an internet search on Dr Rehman and you will find the full, extraordinary details of a situation that could have enormous ramifications, not only for football but sport as a whole.
Sunderland are suing their ex-employee for more than £13 million in relation to his role in the signing of Argentinian midfielder Ricky Alvarez from Inter Milan on 31 August 2014.
Alvarez’s time on Wearside was plagued by injury and Sunderland allege that Dr Rehman “did not oversee the medical appropriately, or act with best practice”. Barring of a private settlement, this is going to the High Court as Sunderland seek damages for breach of contract and negligence.
Their claim centres on the accusation that Dr Rehman was not present at Alvarez’s medical — he was with the first-team squad as they prepared for an away game at Queen’s Park Rangers on 30 August — and instead used four other medical experts to conduct the tests.
In relation to queries about the state of the player’s knees, Dr Rehman, who has yet to file a defence at the High Court, reportedly told his superiors this was “not of any concern” and the fateful deal proceeded.
If Sunderland are successful with their challenge, one Premier League doctor tells me it could both “open the floodgates” for clubs to take retrospective action against their own medics over failed signings and wreak havoc with the recruitment process.
These meetings tend to take place two or three times a year and are usually attended by about half of the top division’s doctors. This one, in London on October 8, drew a full house and there were also lawyers and indemnity specialists on hand to offer information and advice.
“It was emotional and actually quite frightening,” says a source who was in the room. “We’re all pretty nervous — if Dr Rehman is found guilty, the implications are going to be enormous.
“You can’t get into this business at our level without a taking a degree of risk. You can’t sit there and say a player is 100% going to be fine and if your own club is going to do what Sunderland are doing to Dr Rehman, you’re just not going to put yourself in that position any more.
“This concept of players ‘passing’ or ‘failing’ a medical is plain wrong. I’d never go to a manager and say, ‘Yes, he’s passed’ or, ‘No, he’s failed’. I give a degree of risk and say, ‘I can’t guarantee he’s going to play 100 games but I can tell you we’ll get him fit and keep him at this level’.
“What’s the other option — do medicals independently? Nobody is going to independently indemnify doctors who don’t work for the club. And clubs won’t want it done independently. How on earth are you going to make a £70m decision on the advice of someone you’re never met and who has never worked for the club and doesn’t know the demands or the training?
“We know how our players work, we know what they’re expected to do. But we’re sitting here and thinking, ‘If we’re going to be sued for £13m, we can’t do it’.”
Complicating matters is the lack of precedent, making the Dr Rehman case potentially pivotal.
“There’s nothing to compare this to in the UK — nobody deals with anywhere near the value of sportspeople that we do,” adds the source. “The lawyers told us that in the USA a piece of legislation was passed many years ago that prevents club employees for being sued like this.
“This would be the ideal scenario for us, but the lawyers said the chances of that happening are virtually nil, unless the Premier League agree it. We want the clubs to write something into our contracts that basically says, ‘Barring negligence, we will not screw you’.”
The lawyers present suggested Dr Rehman’s High Court case would last two or three weeks and produce an outcome in the early part of next year.
Whitleypanther
Central Defender
We’ll end up paying Dr Rehman millions somehow, plus paying all his legal fees.
DJP
Striker
This was reported 5 weeks ago via multiple news outlets:
www.sunderlandecho.com
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk
www.thetimes.co.uk
And The Sun but I'm damned if I'm posting their link.
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www.sunderlandecho.com
Sunderland launch legal action against their former doctor over the Ricardo Alvarez deal
SUNDERLAND are suing their former head of medicine and club doctor, Ishtiaq Rehman, over the medical that resulted in them signing Ricardo Alvarez…
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk
Are sorry Sunderland about to sue their former doctor for £13m?
Things are getting interesting at Sunderland once again. The club are about to sue their former doctor and “head of medicine” for a remarkable £13m (and 97 pence), citing breach of contract and negligence. The court case could have grave implications for club doctors and their role in overseeing tra
www.thetimes.co.uk
And The Sun but I'm damned if I'm posting their link.
and if i was a medical professional I wouldn't be going anywhere near Sunderland at present.
Pepe
Striker
There is a queue, Agents are first on the boat.
kildaremackem
Striker
that was what hapepbed under the last regime-the one that had loads of money and an owner that wasnt "small time"
these owners get alot wrong..but on soe matters, incvluding relating to court cases they have done well so far.
wherever they go they could get sued..its why the have the isnraunce man?
thinkign we shouldnt sue people whos eincompetence damages the club because it might out others off working for us is the exact epitome of small time mentality..
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cosmicchris00
Striker
I have some magic beans for sale.
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Sid James Park
Guest
Good luck SAFC !
JimmyQuinn
Winger
Great, we can sue your mates then
kildaremackem
Striker
aye they seriously damaged the club what with sdortng out the finances..bringin in ewn revenue and sorting out legal cases..
thats their fiduciary duty.
just as a medic has a regualtory durty. be an adult for once in your life.
JimmyQuinn
Winger
That was an easy bite
kildaremackem
Striker
aye cos doctors never get sued for medical negligence-its not like there is a global industry aimed at doing just that.
these owners have a good recird on court cases..their football advisers are shit..their legal advisers are good.
(could it be that stewart as an insurance guy understands a lot about litigation?)
naughtynose
Striker
It's the year 4087 and the only remaining things on earth are Ken Barlow and the Sunderland Alvarez saga.
