Reid foresaw safc demise


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Embarrassing.

The context was - Before that game Quinn had played 8 minutes of football since September. Kelly and Bridges were out injured. We had played well the games before with one up front beating Boro, drawing against a strong Mags side and playing well but losing 2-1 against Liverpool. He could have risked Quinn from the start but as it happened he played almost all the game and we ended up having 25 shots at goal, hit the woodwork a few times and Maik Taylor had the game of his life. Quinny wasnt fit and was ineffectual at Wimbledon the game after. It was hardly the monumental fuck up you are trying to make out it was,
 
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Should never of extended stadium 42000 was big enough.
With hindsight yes. But at time was compelling reasons. Didn't Murray say recently that at time it was now or never due to possible objections in future from the Olympic swimming pool and hotel being built behind North Stand?
 
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not to mention the Frenchman. He was flashing cash without doing his research ... it was very lazy. I think we had long since lost Durban as main man on recruitment and that cost us.


There were two main reasons not to for me, which still hold strong today
1. Ensure there is more demand for seats than there is supply. Means you can charge more and that season tickets holders stay loyal as they can’t be complacent about getting in.
2.Because your stadium is full of fans every week, you get better atmospheres week in week out.
The arguments for doing It were
1. More people = cheaper tickets
2. Real vision and statement about our intent as a club.
Whilst Reidy wasted the money he had, he had a point, it was pointless building The stadium to that size without having the money to back up your ambition
The cheap tickets thing was noble but it got out of hand over years with freebies and give aways. I think Donald tbf for all his other failures put an end to that?
 
whatever, the point is he gave us the best football we had seen for 50 years, and since then look at us, how anyone can question him is beyond me. He made mistakes as we all have but he gave us so so so many good times and made us a football club again...

We all agree with the good times that Reid gave the club..i think the point of the criticism on here is that Reid saying the club shouldn't have been thinking about ground capacity and concentrating on better players..yes great..i agree but the facts were that Reid wasn't to be trusted in the transfer market..i'd be saying to Peter Reid..hang on you HAD a good team..why did you let Makin go and bring Bernt Haas and Patrice Carteron to replace him..why did you let Allan Johnston go and bring Kevin Kilbane in to replace him..he'd done the hard work in assembling the team but the way he let it disintegrate due his own personal vendettas against certain players was disgraceful..the old saying is 'if something's not broke don't try to fix it'..he's a good bloke Reidy and i'll always look back on that time as the best I've seen but he caused his own downfall due to his failings in the transfer market.
 
Not sure if we would now. I think the 19 and 15 point seasons sickened an awful lot of fans who simply would never come back on a regular basis.

Under Bruce back in 2010/11 we were looking good for top 6 up until the February/March time and the gates were still only 36/37k.
True. Strange that. But then again during first season back under Keane were getting an average well over 43K each week. And then similar average later on after Bruce (have to check stats..sure we did).
 
We all agree with the good times that Reid gave the club..i think the point of the criticism on here is that Reid saying the club shouldn't have been thinking about ground capacity and concentrating on better players..yes great..i agree but the facts were that Reid wasn't to be trusted in the transfer market..i'd be saying to Peter Reid..hang on you HAD a good team..why did you let Makin go and bring Bernt Haas and Patrice Carteron to replace him..why did you let Allan Johnston go and bring Kevin Kilbane in to replace him..he'd done the hard work in assembling the team but the way he let it disintegrate due his own personal vendettas against certain players was disgraceful..the old saying is 'if something's not broke don't try to fix it'..he's a good bloke Reidy and i'll always look back on that time as the best I've seen but he caused his own downfall due to his failings in the transfer market.


im sure he would be first to admit that he made mistakes
 
The context was - Before that game Quinn had played 8 minutes of football since September. Kelly and Bridges were out injured. We had played well the games before with one up front beating Boro, drawing against a strong Mags side and playing well but losing 2-1 against Liverpool. He could have risked Quinn from the start but as it happened he played almost all the game and we ended up having 25 shots at goal, hit the woodwork a few times and Maik Taylor had the game of his life. Quinny wasnt fit and was ineffectual at Wimbledon the game after. It was hardly the monumental fuck up you are trying to make out it was,
Good post. I suppose the counter to that is that Craig Russell was fit but wasn't being played. You could even argue that Ball could have gone to centre back alongside Melville, and shoved Howey up front, but I do agree with you. We'd switched to 4-5-1 after the 2-6 at Chelsea, signed Waddle and Johnston, and it had been relatively successful. The main issue for me was not really having an attacking central midfielder to feed off anything that Stewart won. Had we had a McCann or a Hutchison at the time, I think we'd have been fine, but Bracewell, Ball and Williams weren't going to get you many goals from midfield.
 
Not sure if we would now. I think the 19 and 15 point seasons sickened an awful lot of fans who simply would never come back on a regular basis.

Under Bruce back in 2010/11 we were looking good for top 6 up until the February/March time and the gates were still only 36/37k.

Yes, I was disappointed at some of the Bruce gates and agree that something got lost over the relegations prior.

However, I think enough time has elapsed and we know those potential numbers are there . If it was still 40/42 capacity and we were in the prem, people would be thinking we need to expand in my opinion.
 
Wonderful 20:20 vision from Reidy when using hindsight. He fails to mention the fact that when he DID spend money he wasted it on shit like Flo, Medina and Piper

You r spot on there mind. Wasted millions on shite as well as getting some good uns
 
You r spot on there mind. Wasted millions on shite as well as getting some good uns
Yeah, wasn't meant to slag him off. He was largely brilliant for most of his 7 years here. Kept us up against all odds, performed a miracle in getting us up (with largely the same squad) the following season, nearly kept us up with one of the poorest squads the PL had seen, then gave us 4 amazing years at the SOL.

He made mistakes - relying too heavily on Quinn without a backup plan, ostracising Bridges and Johnston, letting Hutchison go, sacking Bobby Saxton and wasting money on the likes of Laslandes and Flo as direct replacements for Quinn when they were totally different players. He also wasted a lot of money on a lot of players who never got on the pitch (Helmer, Zoetebier, Wainwright, Harrison, Mercimek, Medinia, Weaver, Eriksson, Nunez, Peeters...)
 
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Got to remember we weren’t in the bottom three when the club fired him.....and we’ve essentially went backwards ever since with a couple brief moments of success. in hindsight it was wrong to get rid him when they did.
im not sure he could be a success these days as every club has athletes playing for them. Peter Reid’s ethos was about team bonding with booze. I think that would be significant when it came to performance
 
Thought the team we had in the 2nd season we finished 7th was the best technically and the strongest we've ever had in my time. Bruce's team was poor defensively. The game we lost to Man Utd 0-1 at the SoL,when we could have gone top if we beat them, was the 1 true game I think I have seen us be a team was eating at the top table. We were a very good side for just a brief moment. I think we gave the football World just a little wake up moment at that time. Sick as fuck it didn't last as the atmosphere at the SoL that night was great and never really gets a mention - could literally cut the tension with a knife.
We were quite a few points behind them going into the game, I'm sure we were at least 12 points away after the match. Agree with what you say about the football world etc, I'm sure it set a record for a worldwide audience at some level. That time was a massive missed opportunity for us, surely top players would have came to us....we never capitalised on it.
 
Quinn, Hutch, Sumerbee, Bridges, Johnson, he replaced none of them with the same or better, f***ing Floh man!

First of all Hutch was the replacement for Summerbee with a change of system and we reached our highest finishes without Johnston so its a bit harsh to say he wasn't replaced. If you look at Peter Reid's signings as a collective they were magnificent. You don't get a team from the jaws of the third division to second top of the premier league capable of beating anyone home and away without being excellent in the transfer market. He got it wrong from the summer of 2001 with a shit window and didn't replace Quinn and ultimately he paid the price. However its wholly wrong to say he was poor in the transfer market, the progress the club made under him proves that.
 
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