Referee's vote to go on strike next weekend


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I honestly don't know the off-side rule to the letter.

nah, neither do i tbh...... but up until 5 years ago the only mistake a lino would make would be is the lad in an offside position or not? simple. Now he might give a decision that no-one else in the ground understands, including the players.......

Maybe i'm being harsh but i do think pro refs have created this..... they spend the majority of their week sitting in rooms analysing games with each other........it was much more straight forward when they were laymen imho.

anyway........ maybe i've gone a bit off-topic......rant over... lol
 
The problem isn't just the players showing a lack of respect for the referees though. When players show complete disrespect for the referees, the refs need to stand up to them. Book them, if they continue arguing, send them off. It's the only way they'll learn.

It needs to be a top-down thing too. It's no good referees doing it in a park on a Sunday where they're likely to get smacked. The referees at the top level need to make a stand and show some balls. Go into the dressing rooms before the game, tell the players you're not going to be argued with, explain if they don't like a decision to walk away or they'll get booked. Then go onto the pitch and stand by it.

Correct. I have been lucky enough to play both rugby and football and still cant understand why the football refs put up with shit from players. IIRC about 5 years ago the FA wanted refs to move the ball forward 10 yards for backchat etc. but its fizzled out.
I suppose its got to come from the top as you say and be a FIFA ruling. Cant imagine many FIFA officials have watched a game of rugby though.
 
The abuse the refs have taken from Lennon is a disgrace tbh. He has taken the whole 'establishment' thing too far.

wattie and jim jefferies have had there moments also.

whole things getting out of hand IMO.lenny was lied to by dougie mcdonald then put pressure on steven craven the linesmen to do the same,craven claimed he was been bullied by hugh dallas and mcdonald and he blew the whistle on the whole thing.bringing the whole whistlegate issue crashing down on the sfa.
 
True....like i say though, i'm not sure there is a massive problem wth the way the players treat the refs. Or at least i don't see one....... refs have the power to take action with a yellow/red card if they see fit, and never do, so they clearly don't think they are harrassed..... otherwise they would do something about it on the pitch. Just my opinion.

I run a school football team and have done for a few years now. It's now at a point where we've seen kids from other teams get sent off for swearing at referees. They show no respect at all, arguing every decision regardless of whether it's correct or not.

Personally I won't play any kid who in training or during matches is argumentative at all - it's got me lots of hassle from parents who want the strongest team to be fielded. Their behaviour is directly copied from the players they watch on TV, the likes of Rooney and Ashley Cole berating referees is acceptable and regularly seen. It's very sad.

As I mentioned before though, the players won't stop until their behaviour is punished.
 
Shouldn't be missed -Just get a few waanabees off the street tell them to give someone a yellow card when they foul someone and a red card for the next foul. Thats all the modern day refs do (except Webb) . They never exercise any common sense just referee like robots.

Aye, cos that's just how refereeing works. :lol: There's no fitness or positioning or people management required.
 
the standard of reffing in the SPL is an absolute disaster. Ridiculous decisions every week. Celtic do tend to take it a step too far but at times the refs get everything they deserve. The standard of the English Prem is on a different planet to the standard in the SPL. That should speak volumes. I'd have sympathy if only they weren't shite at their jobs. Yes, folk will whinge on about respect but in which other profession do you get respect for being absolutely dross at your job?
 
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The sooner football learns its lessons from Rugby regarding refereeing, the better.

The captain does the talking with the ref. If a decision goes against you you don't act like a prick, you walk away. If you swear at the ref or within earshot, you get sent off.

Would like to have microphones on the refs as well like they do in rugby.

To be fair the referees have the power to book players for dissent but don't most of the time, so you could argue it's their own fault. If a a yellow was shown every time a player mouthed off about a decision it would very soon stop.
 
To be fair the referees have the power to book players for dissent but don't most of the time, so you could argue it's their own fault. If a a yellow was shown every time a player mouthed off about a decision it would very soon stop.

As much as I agree with the principle, if the referee for tonight's match (or any match) decided to stick to the letter of the law, and book every dissenting player, he's be demoted as quick as fuck. And there's more than likely be hell on in the press too - 'he doesn't understand the game, its a passionate game' blah blah
 
I run a school football team and have done for a few years now. It's now at a point where we've seen kids from other teams get sent off for swearing at referees. They show no respect at all, arguing every decision regardless of whether it's correct or not.

Personally I won't play any kid who in training or during matches is argumentative at all - it's got me lots of hassle from parents who want the strongest team to be fielded. Their behaviour is directly copied from the players they watch on TV, the likes of Rooney and Ashley Cole berating referees is acceptable and regularly seen. It's very sad.

As I mentioned before though, the players won't stop until their behaviour is punished.

Very commendable mate, and tbh, thats what is needed at earlier levels imho..... its part of a kids education, so stick to your guns on that one.....

That being said rugby gets an incredible press, and is considered to be played by gentlemen on the pitch, an example to football players... its that bit i disagree with tbh. For 2 reasons..... firstly football and rugby is totally different, different media spotlight, different pressures on failure etc. I think if you were to introduce the same pressure into rugby players as is imposed on football players, they would be much more ratty when decisions went against them.

Secondly rugby has its own issues...... yes they may not argue with the ref, but these gentlemen rugby-players commit other offences that if they were to occur in football would result in season long bans!

I personally don't see that much wrong with the attitude of most players (yes there are some dicks, but frankly there are a few down the pub on a stada aswell), and back-chat doesn't seem to be a problem imho.... refs have the power to stop it if they want, but choose not to.... i can only assume as they don't actually get much back-chat.
 
the standard of reffing in the SPL is an absolute disaster. Ridiculous decisions every week. Celtic do tend to take it a step too far but at times the refs get everything they deserve. The standard of the English Prem is on a different planet to the standard in the SPL. That should speak volumes. I'd have sympathy if only they weren't shite at their jobs. Yes, folk will whinge on about respect but in which other profession do you get respect for being absolutely dross at your job?

So I take it you monitor every game i the SPL to be able to form that judgment ?
 
This one cuts both ways.

The treatment of referees is disgraceful at all levels. It's like it hasn't dawned on some morons that without referees there is no organised football ! I've seen referees receiving ridiculous abuse at Sunday League and even kid's matches. Only someone with almost fanatical zeal would put themselves through the shit that referees currently receive, the type of shit which has been rightly outlawed in rugby (although is creeping into cricket).

However, the referees don't help themselves. Rather than hiding behind the mantra of "the referee is always right", even when he isn't, and behing Respect agendas when the performance soesn't merit it, they do need to more open, discuss key decisions, good and bad, to educate a public which is largely ignorant of aspects of the game, to learn from mistakes and to aid development of young referees.

Has anyone ever covered a football match on TV from the POV of the referee ? I'm sure that would be an eye-opener.
 
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The Scottish FA want to get referees from the Republic of Ireland to ref games if there is a strike. :eek:

That'll go down well. :lol:
 
So I take it you monitor every game i the SPL to be able to form that judgment ?

well considering there's an SPL game on sky every weekend and 9 times out of 10, the ref makes a decision that would be discussed for weeks if it was in England then, aye it's good enough for a sound judgement.
 
I thought it was a sending off offence to shout and swear at the ref, but lip reading players (and Steve Bruce too) you can see the amount of abuse they get. Some do make some shocking decisions, but the intimidation from players is shocking. That runs through all levels too.

I played in a vets game at the weekend. The ref did not turn up, and one of the blokes son said he would do it. He must have one been 16-17. His dads team was trailing 2-1 with 5 minutes to go, so things were getting a bit tense. He give a marginal decision our way and the amount of abuse he got was shocking. This was from his dads team mates. Poor kid didn't know how to handle it.

When the game finished, we all made a point of going straight to him and shaking his hand.

If I'd have been in the same situation, I would not have had the bottle to send anyone off, but probably would do if I could point to a dozen premiership players who had been sent off for the same thing. Thankfully I have only reffed one game that was all in good spirits.
 
The Scottish FA want to get referees from the Republic of Ireland to ref games if there is a strike. :eek:

That'll go down well. :lol:

that sums the whole situation up. Absolute f***ing idiots that run the Scottish game. If folk think the FA are bad, they've got nowt on the SFA.

The sad thing is. I'm convinced the SFA are so deluded they're of the opinion that the Celtic/Rep of Ireland connections aren't a problem which would make the above nowt to worry about. :roll:
 
well considering there's an SPL game on sky every weekend and 9 times out of 10, the ref makes a decision that would be discussed for weeks if it was in England then, aye it's good enough for a sound judgement.

So that one bad decision per game by the ref, hardly the basis of to say ' The standard of reffing is a abosolute disaster' is it really

You say the standard of reffing the English PL is on a different planet to the SPL, yet according to your post the ref will make a bad decision(assumimg you mean one there) 9/10 in a game

The English refs must be perfect then:confused:
 
This one cuts both ways.

The treatment of referees is disgraceful at all levels. It's like it hasn't dawned on some morons that without referees there is no organised football ! I've seen referees receiving ridiculous abuse at Sunday League and even kid's matches. Only someone with almost fanatical zeal would put themselves through the shit that referees currently receive, the type of shit which has been rightly outlawed in rugby (although is creeping into cricket).

However, the referees don't help themselves. Rather than hiding behind the mantra of "the referee is always right", even when he isn't, and behing Respect agendas when the performance soesn't merit it, they do need to more open, discuss key decisions, good and bad, to educate a public which is largely ignorant of aspects of the game, to learn from mistakes and to aid development of young referees.

Has anyone ever covered a football match on TV from the POV of the referee ? I'm sure that would be an eye-opener.

Referee struggling wih a gonk of a fourth official, quite funny.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzhl7V9Pglo[/ame]

Good one of Howard Webb as well

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOaxTdoIgT0&feature=related[/ame]
 
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