Red card?


You’re refereeing entirely on outcome
As do most refs. You can slide in at pace and tackle cleanly & fairly, depending on your angle of approach & where the other player is in relation to you & its not even a foul. Do the exact same action but clean a player out & its a red.

It all depends on context, where the other player is in relation to you & whether you get the ball or not.

If there wasnt a Chile player anywhere near Jesus this wouldnt even have been a foul

 
Is the keeper just supposed to let him head the ball unchallenged?


It's an unfortunate mishap. It happens.

Folk on here would have the game done away with.
I know what I’m saying is controversial. But change isn’t always a bad thing.

I would only let the keeper use his hands or head the ball like an outfield player. It will mean more goals, which is a good thing.

In the long term I see heading disappearing from the game entirely. Again, I don’t think it would be a bad thing. It would encourage playing on the floor which has a higher skill level.
 
So should we outlaw punching? Excessive is doing something over the top, like trying to smash someone like O’Nien or going in studs up, as there’s no need to do either.

No, but we should make keepers think more about their actions when they come to punch, just like outfield players have to think about the challenges they put in.

Charging out into a crowded area, with your fists below head height is dangerous in my opinion. If you are trying to punch the ball with your arms above your head then chances are your fists will be above everybody else’s head as well.

As I said earlier, players are penalised for a high boot, keepers should be penalised for a low fist (oo err missus).

You see a high foot being deemed when a player ducks down to head it, because the infringement isn’t actually called “high foot” it’s simply endangering an opponent and covered under Law 12.
 
I know what I’m saying is controversial. But change isn’t always a bad thing.

I would only let the keeper use his hands or head the ball like an outfield player. It will mean more goals, which is a good thing.

In the long term I see heading disappearing from the game entirely. Again, I don’t think it would be a bad thing. It would encourage playing on the floor which has a higher skill level.
What an absolute load of shit.
 
Keepers are well within their rights to punch the ball clear, they are not within their rights to punch someone unconscious, red card.
 
I know what I’m saying is controversial. But change isn’t always a bad thing.

I would only let the keeper use his hands or head the ball like an outfield player. It will mean more goals, which is a good thing.

In the long term I see heading disappearing from the game entirely. Again, I don’t think it would be a bad thing. It would encourage playing on the floor which has a higher skill level.
They're already going that way with kids football. Can't remember what the initiative was called, but there was a recent trial by the FA to remove heading from the game.
 
i think the fact no one called for a red card as it happened live on Saturday, but upon seeing replays and still photos have since said it should have been a red card, shows how much of a grey area this is.

You could argue its a perfect example of why VAR was introduced?
 
In your opinion :lol:
Like I say, that attitude'll have the game done away with.

I don't agree with getting rid of headering the ball either.

More goals? Why would ya want more goals? Why should it be easier to score?

Is there really more skill in playing the ball about on the floor? I'm not convinced. I think it's harder to take a touch from an aerial ball than it is one that's rolled across and slowed down by the grass.

Saturday's goal was a lovely cross, and a cracking header from the lad. It's unfortunate he took a knock, but that's football.
 
It's common to see a player groggy after a clash of heads. Should it be a red card for the man who didn't get the ball? I can't recall ever seeing one like that - so I think they would need to change the law. It's accepted that trying to head (or punch, for a goalkeeper) in the normal way - ie. hard - doesn't count as "excessive force" or "reckless" inthe same way as a leaping high challenge does.
No. I take a clash of heads to be the part of the head that you would use to head the ball for both players. The same way kicking someone's foot when trying to kick the ball is different than kicking them in he calf or knee.
 
No, but we should make keepers think more about their actions when they come to punch, just like outfield players have to think about the challenges they put in.

Charging out into a crowded area, with your fists below head height is dangerous in my opinion. If you are trying to punch the ball with your arms above your head then chances are your fists will be above everybody else’s head as well.

As I said earlier, players are penalised for a high boot, keepers should be penalised for a low fist (oo err missus).

You see a high foot being deemed when a player ducks down to head it, because the infringement isn’t actually called “high foot” it’s simply endangering an opponent and covered under Law 12.
What about clash of heads in the box?
 
What about clash of heads in the box?

Clash of heads, is usually accidental with both players putting the same part of their body on the line. However, if one player goes in over aggressively and uncontrolled in their attempts to win the ball, then I would expect him to be penalised.

A genuine attempt by both players to win the ball, in the same manner, isn’t an issue. My issue here is the keeper has come to try and punch that ball away in a dangerous way - possibly to put the player coming in to head it off thinking he’s going to cop one here (fair play to Cirkin for putting his body on the line).

The problem is, this is something that is ingrained into keepers. How many times do we hear that the keeper should have come for that and cleared everybody out at the same time, it’s the wrong way of thinking because an outfield player is not afforded that luxury.

Used to be the case that a Centre Forward was afforded the luxury of being able to clear a keeper out and bundle him into the net, but due to certain incidents (and correctly so) that was ruled out. We’ve gone too far the other way now, in my opinion and keepers are given too much protection and leeway, they’re taught to jump to collect a ball in a crowded area with one knee raised for protection, however, that knee is actually dangerous and catching a player wrong could end up being tragic.
What about clash of heads in the box?

Oh and by the letter of the law, both players have engangered an opponent and them self which is why a clash of heads is usually restarted with a drop ball unless one has been deemed to be over the top.
 
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