So make it illegal for the keeper to punch the ball then??How can you say that? The ball was gone and he punched him in the jaw!
I think closed fist clearances like that should be banned. It was a definite red for me.
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So make it illegal for the keeper to punch the ball then??How can you say that? The ball was gone and he punched him in the jaw!
I think closed fist clearances like that should be banned. It was a definite red for me.
The keeper. Clearly.Which one were you in that picture then?
I don’t think it’s reckless or excessive force so I’m at YC and Penalty if it doesn’t go in.He's run in from 8 yards away, and gone fists forward horizontally into a ruck of players at chest/head height. It's nothing like a goalkeeper's natural punch, which is usually over player's heads. He's totally cocked it up. He's endangering his teammates as much as Cirkin. Under the laws if a foul is committed (which you admit it is) which is reckless, uses excessive force, and endangers an opponent, it should be penalised as serious foul play, resulting ina red card. In what respect is the keeper's challenge not all of those things?
You were the CF weren't ya
Aye, I dont think anyone is blaming the officials who only saw it once in real time. It happened so fast with lots of bodies in the way & we scored from it.I think it was a red, having watched replays. It's late and dangerous, so, by the letter of the law is a red. If an outfield player does that and kicks an opponent in the leg, they're going to get sent off. At the time, I didn't see a thing and had no idea what had gone on. I'm not sure that either of the ref or lino had a clue as to what had happened, along with at least 99% of the people in the ground, so I can see why it wasn't given.
You could say exactly the same thing about a player going to head a ball and knocking someone out. It’s not a requirement to head the ball in as much as punching isn’t for a goalkeeper. Cahill ended Mason’s career. Luiz put Jiminez into intensive care. Both of them missed the ball, I don’t remember anyone calling for either of them to be red carded.
There’s a clear law against a high boot. Instead of using your boot you can use your head or upper body. A keeper can use his hands at any height. If Mane had gone with his head, and had the same result, he would not have been sent off. This Red Card was also massively debated and condemned at the time.
Yes. That’s what I am saying.So make it illegal for the keeper to punch the ball then??
Haha na, but the fact you had your eye on the ball is totally irrelevant if you boot someone in the head. Maybe 20 years ago it would have be okay but not now.You were the CF weren't ya![]()
^Complete and utter fanny.^How can you say that? The ball was gone and he punched him in the jaw!
I think closed fist clearances like that should be banned. It was a definite red for me.
Yes. That’s what I am saying.
Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player themself) and includes preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.
So should we outlaw punching? Excessive is doing something over the top, like trying to smash someone like O’Nien or going in studs up, as there’s no need to do either.![]()
Hugo Lloris gives away penalty by accidentally punching Danilo
Pundits have criticised Hugo Lloris after the goalkeeper gave away a penalty for accidentally punching Portugal's Danilo Pereira. It happened as the Spurs keeper went to clear the ball.www.dailymail.co.uk
But Keepers are allowed to Punch it’s part of the game, and in this case the pundits were calling out for a red card.
Penalty, Yellow Card and caused a debate about whether it should have been a straight red for dangerous play and excessive force.
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Haha na, but the fact you had your eye on the ball is totally irrelevant if you boot someone in the head. Maybe 20 years ago it would have be okay but not now.
I am all for sporting violence. I love watching boxing and MMA. There is skill in that.Din't be fuckin' daft man.
^Complete and utter fanny.^
So should we outlaw punching? Excessive is doing something over the top, like trying to smash someone like O’Nien or going in studs up, as there’s no need to do either.
Or if I go for a header, the other player gets to the ball first, and I nut him in the jaw with such force he's unconscious. I think that would be a red.Outfield player
Sorry ref, I missed the ball by a split second, kicked his leg and snapped it![]()
Is the keeper just supposed to let him head the ball unchallenged?I am all for sporting violence. I love watching boxing and MMA. There is skill in that.
However, the changes to football in making it less aggressive have been for the better over the last 30 years. It’s safer for the players and it allows technical players to showcase their ability.
It's common to see a player groggy after a clash of heads. Should it be a red card for the man who didn't get the ball? I can't recall ever seeing one like that - so I think they would need to change the law. It's accepted that trying to head (or punch, for a goalkeeper) in the normal way - ie. hard - doesn't count as "excessive force" or "reckless" inthe same way as a leaping high challenge does.Or if I go for a header, the other player gets to the ball first, and I nut him in the jaw with such force he's unconscious. I think that would be a red.
What’s “excessive” when trying to punch a ball away?I wouldnt go that far. In the same way I wouldnt outlaw tackling. Like tackling though, if punching is mistimed, uses excessive force & endangers an opponent it should be a red card.
Includes but not restricted to punching someone in the face & knocking them outWhat’s “excessive” when trying to punch a ball away?