Red card?


Perhaps someone can clarify the difference between an outfield player getting a red card for mistiming a tackle and injuring someone, compared to a goalkeeper mistiming a punch and hitting someone in the head.

Intent has got nothing to do with it as far as I'm aware.

There isn't/shouldn't be a difference.
Not for me. He’s trying to punch the ball away, as he’s entitled to do, and Cirkin gets there ahead of him. It’s in the same category as a clash of heads for me.

Should a clash of heads be a red card? That can be really really dangerous.

But that means a keeper could purposely go to punch a player and get away with it. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Keepers don't have to punch the ball, it's not a requirement. If they choose to do so then they run the risk of injuring a player, yesterday was bad, it could have been a hell of a lot worse. If keepers miss the ball and hit a player that's on them and should be a foul and red card depending on how severe it is.

We ended up losing Cirkin yesterday and he won't be available for a few games now where as the Millwall keeper is free to play next game.
 
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If an outfield player went up for a header, was late and clashed heads would he be sent off?

Goalkeepers are legally allowed to punch the ball and therefore it's the equivalent of an outfield player attempting to head it imo.

Players are allowed to kick it but are penalised if they attempt to kick the ball in a dangerous manner.

This was a red card even though Mane is legally allowed to kick a ball.


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There isn't/shouldn't be a difference.


But that means a keeper could purposely go to punch a player and get away with it. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Keepers don't have to punch the ball, it's not a requirement. If they choose to do so then they run the risk of injuring a player, yesterday was bad, it could have been a hell of a lot worse. If keepers miss the ball and hit a player that's on them and should be a foul and red card depending on how severe it is.

We ended up losing Cirkin yesterday and he won't be available for a few games now where as the Millwall keeper is free to play next game.
You could say exactly the same thing about a player going to head a ball and knocking someone out. It’s not a requirement to head the ball in as much as punching isn’t for a goalkeeper. Cahill ended Mason’s career. Luiz put Jiminez into intensive care. Both of them missed the ball, I don’t remember anyone calling for either of them to be red carded.
Players are allowed to kick it but are penalised if they attempt to kick the ball in a dangerous manner.

This was a red card even though Mane is legally allowed to kick a ball.


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There’s a clear law against a high boot. Instead of using your boot you can use your head or upper body. A keeper can use his hands at any height. If Mane had gone with his head, and had the same result, he would not have been sent off. This Red Card was also massively debated and condemned at the time.
 
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If you go for the ball but get there late and take out the opposing player it’s a foul.

If you do that recklessly or dangerously or with excessive force then it should be a card.

Why should that apply only if you lead with your feet, and not if you lead with your fist or head?
 
If an outfield player went up for a header, was late and clashed heads would he be sent off?

Goalkeepers are legally allowed to punch the ball and therefore it's the equivalent of an outfield player attempting to head it imo.
Exactly mate. I’d like those saying it’s a red to say what the keeper should do. Head it away? Anyone that says ā€œleave itā€ has clearly never played a game let alone played in goal. People hammer Patto for not coming for crosses but want red cards for keepers coming and being beaten by 0.1 seconds.
If you go for the ball but get there late and take out the opposing player it’s a foul.

If you do that recklessly or dangerously or with excessive force then it should be a card.

Why should that apply only if you lead with your feet, and not if you lead with your fist or head?
You must be one of them that wants heading banned. Any contested header is potentially dangerous with the ball impact or clash of heads. Are we going to tell keepers they can’t command their area and punch the ball but must stay on their line as if they get it wrong they’re off. He
 
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You could say exactly the same thing about a player going to head a ball and knocking someone out. It’s not a requirement to head the ball in as much as punching isn’t for a goalkeeper. Cahill ended Mason’s career. Luiz put Jiminez into intensive care. Both of them missed the ball, I don’t remember anyone calling for either of them to be red carded.

There’s a clear law against a high boot. Instead of using your boot you can use your head or upper body. A keeper can use his hands at any height. If Mane had gone with his head, and had the same result, he would not have been sent off. This Red Card was also massively debated and condemned at the time.

But going up to challenge for a header seems natural. A keeper flying full pelt through the air with their fist doesn't, it's dangerous if it connects. Of course it depends on the scenario, but what happened yesterday was totally OTT, it was mistimed and could have caused serious injury.

If someone flew into a header and completely missed the ball but smashed into a players head I imagine the ref would have to seriously consider if it was a serious foul or not but it rarely happens, I can't remember an incident like it.
 
But going up to challenge for a header seems natural. A keeper flying full pelt through the air with their fist doesn't, it's dangerous if it connects. Of course it depends on the scenario, but what happened yesterday was totally OTT, it was mistimed and could have caused serious injury.

If someone flew into a header and completely missed the ball but smashed into a players head I imagine the ref would have to seriously consider if it was a serious foul or not but it rarely happens, I can't remember an incident like it.
It never happens. It’s 100% a foul and a Yellow Card. But Red Card, think we’re going too much off the outcome. Which is a bad way to go imo.
 
Many, many years ago I went to clear a ball played into our box. I had my eye firmly on that ball with full intent of launching it into the opponents half. I swung my boot at the ball and in a fraction of a second the oppo centre forwards head was in place of the ball. Nasty outcome - should I have been carded?
 
It never happens. It’s 100% a foul and a Yellow Card. But Red Card, think we’re going too much off the outcome. Which is a bad way to go imo.

Well a few things really, we scored from it so it could be argued it should have been a penalty. We know he scored so he prevented a goal scoring opportunity.

If truth be told after having the debate I don't think this should be a grey area, the rules should be clearer and imo a reckless mis-timed punch should be a red card.
 
I’d like those saying it’s a red to say what the keeper should do. Head it away?
Ok then: if the keeper can get to the ball first then they should catch it or punch it, and if they can't get to it first then they have options but none of them are punching people in the face.

You must be one of them that wants heading banned.
It's easy to pretend there are only two options isn't it. Means you don't really need to think that hard.
 
Exactly mate. I’d like those saying it’s a red to say what the keeper should do. Head it away? Anyone that says ā€œleave itā€ has clearly never played a game let alone played in goal. People hammer Patto for not coming for crosses but want red cards for keepers coming and being beaten by 0.1 seconds.

You must be one of them that wants heading banned. Any contested header is potentially dangerous with the ball impact or clash of heads. Are we going to tell keepers they can’t command their area and punch the ball but must stay on their line as if they get it wrong they’re off. He
No, the keeper was right to try and punch it, no-one is disputing that, but he got his timing wrong and punched a player in the face.

An outfield player is slower in a tackle and ends up dangerously smashing into an opponent, its a red. Its technically the same thing, and there's not one of us on here that wouldn't be calling for a red in the latter event.
 

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