Reasons to keep Steve Bruce as manager thread


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:confused: OK, he has balanced the books. I'm sure your Maths is correct. In so doing he's weakened & unbalanced his team. I don't think £50 million on Suarez & AC is a bad buy but Bruce's total net spend has been largely wasted. And it was a lot of money. Whether it's your money, the boss' money, money incoming or a lottery win isn't really relevant for me. The point is Bruce has wasted it. Hence my suggeting he's a money pit.

Simply not true. The squad today is far superior to the one he inhereted. Still work to do though, and this season is one to forget. Hopefully we will bring the necessary additions in the summer.
 
why do you need so many threads?

some fantastic performances, alot of the losses we accrued were despite being far and away the better side [im thinking today, 0-2 blackppol, first 45 against fulham, 2-3 against stoke etc etc etc] better to play well and get nowt that be shite, we are far from shite.

massive steps forward in quality of side. very little net spend if any

continued establishment of premiership status - we are still a yo yo side to everyone outside sunderland, every little baby step helps.

academy is turning into a real conveyor belt, 3m for wags, henderson, colback establishing themselves, noble, lynch, cook, now laing all gettting chances

plenty to cheer ya miserable fecker

you deluded fool

I agree he hasn't done the Business over the two seasons, this season has been a disaster. Top 10 was minimum requirement and we've failed.... as i said you can criticise him for many this things.... but being a money pit is not one of those things..

.yes he's spent money but it's been more of a reshuffling job...like daglish (sp) at pool. yes he spent 55 million on Suarez and Caroll. Would you call him a money pit? No. Why? Because he sold torres for 50 million... a balancing act.

Bruce has done the same... selling Whitehead, Collins, Reid, Murphy, Stokes, Jones, Leadbitter, Edwards....all these sales were used to generate future purchases...

.. Quinn has come out before and said that Short likes loans and he also came out before and said that certain sales had to take place before we could sign Bent....

... big difference between being a money pit and balancing the books while still making the team better......

...calling him a money pit to me was devoid of logic hence why i claimed it was knee jerking after a shit result.

Anyway i gotta go... enjoy your weekend.

no wonder short likes loans ,elmo mensah anougha,(what ever hes called )muntari etc,it gives us the oppportunity to send all of bruces shite back where they came from
 
Because most people in the real world put our bad run down to injuries, as simple as that. And very few, apart from on this board, use being a Geordie or Newcastle fan in his youth as a stick to beat Bruce with.
But no repeat of our bad runs from the last two seasons.
 
Because most people in the real world put our bad run down to injuries, as simple as that. And very few, apart from on this board, use being a Geordie or Newcastle fan in his youth as a stick to beat Bruce with.
But no repeat of our bad runs from the last two seasons.

It's nothing to do with where he came from, if anything I agree with Quinn that it would be a bonus. It's about him seeming to lack the key skills to be a manager who can make the most of the resources available at this club.

Not everybody who has decided over the course of two seasons that this is the case has come to this conclusion on a whim or out of an irrational dislike of the guy. I like him, he seems like a nice bloke and I wished him well when he came, but from what I've seen of his teams (given the resources available to him) he isn't a talented manager.

Yes, that's what I mean Chris. Not sure PDS was such a flop (but he's made for latin football) and the jury is out on Angeleri. Riveros showed he's not up to it today.

Bruce couldn't turn PDS in to a player he felt was capable of doing a job for the club, he rarely played at centre half and when he did he was poor. What baffled me is why he was still here going in to this season, I can't understand how Bruce could think he'd learn more about him than he did having him there every week for a year. It further tells me that Bruce doesn't have a plan.

Who knows about Angeleri, I think it was Tim Vickery who said he was injured badly a few years ago and was never the same player after as pace was a huge part of his game. He was poor when he played in the cup and whichever home game it was around Christmas, but if nothing else he's obviously got a bad attitude.

Aye, Riveros got in to some decent positions in the first 20 odd minutes but seems far too pedestrian at times and slow to react to situations.The odd thing about all three is their ages, it's very very rare that you'll find "undiscovered" players in their late 20s.

Anyway, i still don't think it's beyond question that Bruce always finds good foreign players.
 
It's nothing to do with where he came from, if anything I agree with Quinn that it would be a bonus. It's about him seeming to lack the key skills to be a manager who can make the most of the resources available at this club.

Not everybody who has decided over the course of two seasons that this is the case has come to this conclusion on a whim or out of an irrational dislike of the guy. I like him, he seems like a nice bloke and I wished him well when he came, but from what I've seen of his teams (given the resources available to him) he isn't a talented manager.

Where's all this nice guy stuff came from? Like most people from the area he's a serial moaner and always has been.
 
Simply not true. The squad today is far superior to the one he inhereted. Still work to do though, and this season is one to forget. Hopefully we will bring the necessary additions in the summer.
I disagree. It's an unbalanced hotch-potch of an assemblage of vertically challenged individuals & loanees. It's not a team & there is no spine as such. After all this time, we still haven't even got a LB.

a bit of stability



He's only had 2 :confused:.

I really think we need to give someone a longer run at this job.
We've had two poor years. He'll takeus down next year. This situation is like Peter Reid's last tango.
 
what irritates me is the injuries, and bent going in the way he did. other than that you can blame Bruce for losing to west ham in the cup, and assuming meyler could replace cana despite his injury, what else can you blame him for?

  • After two years failing to buy a LB
  • Dubious medical & fitness regime
  • Playing a RB at LB
  • Playing a CH at RB
  • Selling a star striker & failing to replace him
  • Taking the squad on holiday two years off the belt & telling them the season's over
  • Half time team talks
  • Plan A and no Plan B
  • Abandoning the FAC
  • Buying Riveros, da Silva, Angeleri, Kilgallon,
  • Weird substitutions
  • Too many loanees
  • Persisting with Mensah
  • Selling Kenny yet continuing to lump the ball heavenward
  • Getting rid of Reid & possibly Healey, too
  • I'm getting bored now...

He's called Kieron Richardson.
Sorry but he's never a LB.
 
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He's doing OK. He has had plenty of bad luck with injuries but has also made some poor decisions along the way. Five years ago we craved for mid-table obscurity in order to stabilise the club why do so many people moan when we are actually in the process of that? It's not exciting but I am glad that the decision-makers at the club can see past the idiocy of some of our fans and look at the big picture. Roll on next season.
 
He's doing OK. He has had plenty of bad luck with injuries but has also made some poor decisions along the way. Five years ago we craved for mid-table obscurity in order to stabilise the club why do so many people moan when we are actually in the process of that? It's not exciting but I am glad that the decision-makers at the club can see past the idiocy of some of our fans and look at the big picture. Roll on next season.
Bruce hasn't achieved mid-table obscurity after two years, man. We've only just squeaked over the line and after next week's game it might look even closer. That suggestion is akin to idiocy!
 
Bruce hasn't achieved mid-table obscurity after two years, man. We've only just squeaked over the line and after next week's game it might look even closer.

We're safe as houses man and have been for a while. If you speak to anyone who isn't an SAFC fan, none of them thought we were anywhere near being in relegation contention and they have been proven correct. We always just fear the worst. And if you take into account the injury crisis that would be worth at least another couple of points which would see us in mid-table.
 
I am glad that the decision-makers at the club can see past the idiocy of some of our fans and look at the big picture.

It's one thing disagreeing, but it's delusional to say the above about those who want Bruce out.

Most of us can see both sides of the argument, but don't regard two horrendous slumps in 2 seasons as being simply bad luck, or the poor tactics, or the ineffective subs, or the lack of training in set pieces etc.

It's just not idiocy. It's a different view to yours, and it looks like it's the majority view. You can't possibly think you're the only one with the capacity for analytical thought?
 
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It's one thing disagreeing, but it's delusional to say the above about those who want Bruce out.

Most of us can see both sides of the argument, but don't regard two horrendous slumps in 2 seasons as being simply bad luck, or the poor tactics, or the ineffective subs, or the lack of training in set pieces etc.

It's just not idiocy. It's a different view to yours, and it looks like it's the majority view. You can't possibly think you're the only one with the capacity for analytical thought?

For starters, I don't think that this message board is a true representation of the fans' opinions and I think this board undoubtedly attracts extreme views (positive & negative). I don't actually know anyone that wants Bruce sacked of my Sunderland supporting mates/family. We all basically realise that this is what being a mid-table team is like.

I agree that it hasn't been solely down to bad luck which I previously acknowledged. Bruce has had his moments - his substiutions, for example, I sometimes find baffling. However, I do think that the function of this board is generally to exacerbate the negativities at the club/team rather than look at the bigger picture. It's certainly a big summer, mind.
 
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