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decker ............???
Having read beyond the title are you relieved?
Regardless of all that guff it is surprising that there are not more black coaches and managers considering how many black players there are and have been for decades. It's a problem in my view and contributes to the lack of decent English managers. The reasons could be various but as soon as its raised as a discussion point or if Garth Crooks opens his mouth you can guarantee a number of people on here shouting 'PC gone mad'. Discussing this issue in a calm, rational manner is fair enough and not pc gone mad.The number of players is irrelevant if they aren't getting their coaching badges though. Plus you have to bear in mind that it's the number of people who have finished playing that is relevant, not the number that are playing now.
If I was a checkout operator at Tesco, I might aspire to be a store manager one day. I have two choices, either just say "they'll never give me a store manager's job because I'm only a checkout operator" or I could go out and get the qualifications I need, apply for a supervisor's job, prove myself, then apply for a department manager's job etc., and work my way up. The latter may not work, and I may never get a Store Managers job despite my best efforts. But if I opt for the former I'll never know. Hence you have people like Brendan Rodgers who was coaching for over a decade, going round Europe learning from the best, or Garry Monk who did his badges, and helped out with coaching the youth team while still a player, that get noticed and get opportunities over those who have no experience at all.
What percentage of the UK population are from ethnic minorities? Players are normally people. Maybe the football authorities should start looking at addressing the imbalance of white and Asian players so that it better reflects the UK population if you really want to correct statistical imbalances.
What would you suggest should be done? There clearly is a problem - loads of black players, hardly any black coaches/managers. I think if nothing is done this will persist and I think the English game will suffer and does suffer accordingly - as well as it just being 'not right'. A agree quotas is not the right way but the Rooney rule does not demand quotas just that black candidates are considered. I don't think there's an easy answer but I do think it should be addressed. What would you suggest is done?
Did you even stop to read the article you're quoting? It's not calling for 'positive' discrimination at all, it's asking why there aren't more minorities in the game, and it's questioning whether that's down to discrimination.
Mind, don't let that get in the way of your 'PC gone mad' bullshit.
I love the ALS red ones. Rightly named Classic IMO........... pc gone mad again. The day that one black, coffee-coloured or whatever hue coach does well and produces the goods, he'll be snapped up by the big clubs on merit - and on merit alone - but promoting anyone just on account of the shade of their skin colour is wrong. Treating anyone differently, positively or negatively - solely on account of their skin colour shade is racist. In this respect we all ought to be colour-blind.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/10/players-call-one-five-coaches-ethnic-minorities-2020
We've had a high number of black lads playing for England since the early 80's. It's pretty obvious there should be more black coaches and managers - I really don't think that is an unreasonable assertion. Quotas would be silly but the Rooney rule merely suggest black candidates should be considered. That doesn't harm anyone. However, for some on here, to even suggest there's a problem gets people up in arms - pc gone mad. Clearly Sol Campbell does this cause no favours but the likes of Jason Roberts ideas should be considered without the constant playing of the PC Card. BTW who suggested quotas, I hadn't heard that being suggested as it's clearly unworkable?This is not a question I have really looked into - but my initial reaction is that while there are a lot of black/coloured/whatever players, a great deal of them are plucked (as far as I know) from 3rd world countries at a young age by agents and do not have a very high- in European terms - educational level - and so would not potentially be very good decent managerial material. For every Lilian Thuram there are 50 (dare I say it) - Diakates.
The hope is from countries such as ours, where racial mixing and time will eventually produce a breed of racially indefinite young managers who will get to the top one day. The Theo Walcotts, Ferdinands and Rodwells of our day will one day make it to higher managerial echelons.
The headline I saw was actually on the BBC football website - I only posted the guardian address as I saw that it was addressing the same question. If someone really does call for quotas, as Jason Roberts doesn't, then it really is pc gone mad bullshit. Imagine SAFC had Sol C imposed on us.
Racially mixed managers will come all the more prevalent with time.
P.S. I have never understood why people like Barack O. or Chris Hughton are described as black. Obama is 50 % Caucasian and 50 % Negro as far as I know. If we all trace back our ancestry a long, long way, we will all find that we originally appeared somewhere on the African east coast.
Why suggest such extremes? All that's being said is that with so many black players in the game there should be more black coaches and managers. That seems fair enough. To try to address this issue seems fair enough.Does this mean that we should have only one in five players from ethnic backgrounds
If we have more,is that deemed to be rascist against white british players
Diakite was born in France. He isn't from Africa because he is black you know?This is not a question I have really looked into - but my initial reaction is that while there are a lot of black/coloured/whatever players, a great deal of them are plucked (as far as I know) from 3rd world countries at a young age by agents and do not have a very high- in European terms - educational level - and so would not potentially be very good decent managerial material. For every Lilian Thuram there are 50 (dare I say it) - Diakates.
The hope is from countries such as ours, where racial mixing and time will eventually produce a breed of racially indefinite young managers who will get to the top one day. The Theo Walcotts, Ferdinands and Rodwells of our day will one day make it to higher managerial echelons.
The headline I saw was actually on the BBC football website - I only posted the guardian address as I saw that it was addressing the same question. If someone really does call for quotas, as Jason Roberts doesn't, then it really is pc gone mad bullshit. Imagine SAFC had Sol C imposed on us.
Racially mixed managers will come all the more prevalent with time.
P.S. I have never understood why people like Barack O. or Chris Hughton are described as black. Obama is 50 % Caucasian and 50 % Negro as far as I know. If we all trace back our ancestry a long, long way, we will all find that we originally appeared somewhere on the African east coast.
What if 20-25% of players were from ethnic minorities? Managers are normally ex-players. Therefore that is the appropriate population to use.
most footballers probably cant be arsed to do badges id wagerIt isn't really hard to understand the point.
The relevant population isn't all ex-players, it's people with the required coaching licences. Some (possibly most) will be ex-players, some not.
It looks as if no more than 5% of that population are BME, so any job interview quota should logically be set at 5% BME (or one in 20).
The issue is simply that BME footballers are not taking their coaching badges for whatever reason - now if you want to encourage that with grass roots funding or a cultural campaign or whatever then fine, but football management is a ruthlessly results-based business and it would do no-one any favours for a tokenistic appointment to be made only for the poor guy to get sacked within 6 months as he wasn't up to it - it would set the cause backwards - what's needed is a raft of good English black managers to come through naturally - it will happen eventually..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Dyer-and-Titus-Bramble-slam-Rooney-Rule.htmlCanny article in the Telegraph on this topic. Quotes from Kieron Dyer and Titus Bramble make for interesting reading.
Diakite was born in France. He isn't from Africa because he is black you know?
Whatever your point is of this thread, you are expressing it terribly
This is not a question I have really looked into - but my initial reaction is that while there are a lot of black/coloured/whatever players, a great deal of them are plucked (as far as I know) from 3rd world countries at a young age by agents and do not have a very high- in European terms - educational level - and so would not potentially be very good decent managerial material. For every Lilian Thuram there are 50 (dare I say it) - Diakates.
The hope is from countries such as ours, where racial mixing and time will eventually produce a breed of racially indefinite young managers who will get to the top one day. The Theo Walcotts, Ferdinands and Rodwells of our day will one day make it to higher managerial echelons.
The headline I saw was actually on the BBC football website - I only posted the guardian address as I saw that it was addressing the same question. If someone really does call for quotas, as Jason Roberts doesn't, then it really is pc gone mad bullshit. Imagine SAFC had Sol C imposed on us.
Racially mixed managers will come all the more prevalent with time.
P.S. I have never understood why people like Barack O. or Chris Hughton are described as black. Obama is 50 % Caucasian and 50 % Negro as far as I know. If we all trace back our ancestry a long, long way, we will all find that we originally appeared somewhere on the African east coast.
You're a silly old fool. Please stopWhatever the point of your reply may be, it is rather poorly expressed. Perhaps you went to school in France.
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I honestly laughed my head off reading his post. The French man plucked from the third world has no managerial credentials.Diakite was born in France. He isn't from Africa because he is black you know?
Whatever your point is of this thread, you are expressing it terribly