Quotas for coloured coaches...


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My great grandfather didn't fight in a world war so you Nazis could post racist garbage on a SAFC forum.
I think censorship is a bit Naziesque don't you think? :)
Racism has no place in the 21st century, nor has thought control.
 
If it stands for 'black and ethnic minorities' why the fuck is the abbreviation BME? :confused:
 
No one is saying they are bad eggs, I'm saying people should get picked to do a job on merit not on colour simple really !
Funnily enough that's what the Rooney rule is doing ;)
 
From the metro

For example, new figures show that just 6.7% of BME coaches are taking FA coaching qualifications.
That number reduces to just 5.1% for those taking higher level accreditation such as the FA UEFA B, UEFA A and UEFA Pro-license.
So, 5.1% of BME coaches complete advanced courses and hold 3.4% of senior coaching roles within professional football.
That’s a drop-off of just 1.7% who make it from the classroom into the game – hardly a figure that would scream out to statisticians as being significant when factoring in the competitiveness of the industry, as well as the finite number of jobs in circulation.

https://metro.co.uk/2014/11/10/is-t...n-coaching-really-so-black-and-white-4943082/

If thats accurate then it would suggest that the problem isnt quite as big as some seem to be suggesting. We still need to work on encouraging more black players to go on coaching courses but it doesnt soubd so bad that we need to ensure 20% of coaches are black if those participation percentages are accurate
 
If thats accurate then it would suggest that the problem isnt quite as big as some seem to be suggesting. We still need to work on encouraging more black players to go on coaching courses but it doesnt soubd so bad that we need to ensure 20% of coaches are black if those participation percentages are accurate

Why?

Can we not just encourage hungry, enthusiastic and talented people to go on coaching courses and not give a shite if they're a honkey or a brother?
 
Why?

Can we not just encourage hungry, enthusiastic and talented people to go on coaching courses and not give a shite if they're a honkey or a brother?

I guess what i mean is that if football wants to be seen to be doing what it can to tackle any disparity in the ethnicity of coaches then maybe they should try to encourage bme people to take up coaching rather than just giving them a disproportionate (to the number doing the courses) of positions. Personally i couldnt give a fuck if we get more bme coaches/ managers or not so personally i wouldnt bother me arse to do anything, im not employed by the FA though, they might want to do something
 
They would be included as part of the pool of candidates from a BME background.
I take your point regarding b.m.e however all I've heard on here and sky news is black players !! Nothing about gypsies or anything else

I take your point regarding b.m.e however all I've heard on here and sky news is black players !! Nothing about gypsies or anything else
Plus there was a quote on sky saying the coaching courses are to expensive for black players, do they think that every non-black person has the funds also ?
 
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I take your point regarding b.m.e however all I've heard on here and sky news is black players !! Nothing about gypsies or anything else


Plus there was a quote on sky saying the coaching courses are to expensive for black players, do they think that every non-black has the funds also ?
Simply because they make up the vast majority of this group in this country

On the second point if you're from a non pro footballing background, white people generally have more cash than black people

The world over in fact
 
It's institutional racism, employing all of these black footballers ;)
You raise a really good point.

As far as I'm aware there has been no barrier to black footballers playing in British football teams, in fact as far as the demographics of this country goes you could say that they are vastly over represented. Clearly there has been no question of any sort of institutional racism when it comes to having black footballers in our team or any other football team. the question then is why would this apply to appointing black managers? It doesnt make any sense. Its contradictory.

I'll come back to my original point relating to the fact that quite simply black footballers, once they hang up their boots, may simply and culturally not be interested in being a football manager in this country.
 
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I take your point regarding b.m.e however all I've heard on here and sky news is black players !! Nothing about gypsies or anything else
I suppose that is because the vast majority of BME players are black rather than Asian.

I don't suppose there is much correlation between the breakdown of checkout operators and store managers in Sainsburys, because being good at the former, doesn't mean that you have the skills to do the latter. But in football, almost all managers come from a playing background, so there is more interest in the ethnic breakdown of one being similar to that of the other
 
You interview more black candidates you amazingly discover some of them are the best
That is far more logical.

From the metro

For example, new figures show that just 6.7% of BME coaches are taking FA coaching qualifications.
That number reduces to just 5.1% for those taking higher level accreditation such as the FA UEFA B, UEFA A and UEFA Pro-license.
So, 5.1% of BME coaches complete advanced courses and hold 3.4% of senior coaching roles within professional football.
That’s a drop-off of just 1.7% who make it from the classroom into the game – hardly a figure that would scream out to statisticians as being significant when factoring in the competitiveness of the industry, as well as the finite number of jobs in circulation.

https://metro.co.uk/2014/11/10/is-t...n-coaching-really-so-black-and-white-4943082/
Doesnt suggest a problem to me.
 
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I suppose that is because the vast majority of BME players are black rather than Asian.

I don't suppose there is much correlation between the breakdown of checkout operators and store managers in Sainsburys, because being good at the former, doesn't mean that you have the skills to do the latter. But in football, almost all managers come from a playing background, so there is more interest in the ethnic breakdown of one being similar to that of the other
All I've seen up to now is ex black players saying there's not enough ex black players in the game. This has got nowt to do with B.M.E groups
 
From the metro

For example, new figures show that just 6.7% of BME coaches are taking FA coaching qualifications.
That number reduces to just 5.1% for those taking higher level accreditation such as the FA UEFA B, UEFA A and UEFA Pro-license.
So, 5.1% of BME coaches complete advanced courses and hold 3.4% of senior coaching roles within professional football.
That’s a drop-off of just 1.7% who make it from the classroom into the game – hardly a figure that would scream out to statisticians as being significant when factoring in the competitiveness of the industry, as well as the finite number of jobs in circulation.

https://metro.co.uk/2014/11/10/is-t...n-coaching-really-so-black-and-white-4943082/
Good post that
 
.......... pc gone mad again. The day that one black, coffee-coloured or whatever hue coach does well and produces the goods, he'll be snapped up by the big clubs on merit - and on merit alone - but promoting anyone just on account of the shade of their skin colour is wrong. Treating anyone differently, positively or negatively - solely on account of their skin colour shade is racist. In this respect we all ought to be colour-blind.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/10/players-call-one-five-coaches-ethnic-minorities-2020

Affirmative action or Positive discrimination is by it's very nature just another form of racism.
I dont care if it makes the numbers more equal, it should be on ability.
 
All I've seen up to now is ex black players saying there's not enough ex black players in the game. This has got nowt to do with B.M.E groups

I don't know the stats - but how many black (or other ethnic people) come to play here from overseas? I would imagine in the top flight it's quite a large proportion. I would imagine once they've finished playing their first thought would be to return 'home' - not every player who retires the game can go into coaching. If I came here from Portugal for example and had plenty of money in the bank once I'd finished playing, then I'm pretty sure I'd be going back there to coach (if that's what I wanted to do).
 
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