Quotas for coloured coaches...


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Who said that black footballers wanted to become managers? Maybe they arent interested in such an unstable job. Fair play to them if they arent interested.

This might be true. On the flip side, there may be some ingrained institutional racism which nobody is even aware of. There was in American Football and the Rooney Rule was a real solution to it. Perhaps it may be in English footy. The stats are a bit weird with so few making the step up. Perhaps you're right but there's literally no harm whatsoever in trying.
 
What stats?

Also how ydo you know that "they are not interested" is a bit insulting? Has anyone asked black footballers about this subject?

the first thing that should happen is that someone asks them and also looks at the stats at say youth level. If there are just say 50 black coaches at youth level then maybe the first thing that should happen is to encourage black footballers to apply for coaching jobs at all level. You cant appoint people if they arent there to appoint. Is the pool of black coaches to chose from massive or small? I dont know and I'm not sure anyone does.
2 out of 92? That's a stat

And I'm not sure how you ask the entire black population to be honest
 
What is a likely career path for a black player ending a career in the lower divisions? Do you and omega think they are aspiring to get into macdonalds or become a bricky?
You are starting to make assumptions of me because I am using facts that I know of. I have no idea what black footballers aspire to after there careers are over, and unless you know them all personally then neither do you. What I would pass comment on though is that I hope one day soon that discussions like this becomes a thing of the past, because i could not give a rats ass who becomes top coaches in the future, as long as everyone is giving a fair crack at the whip.
 
You are starting to make assumptions of me because I am using facts that I know of. I have no idea what black footballers aspire to after there careers are over, and unless you know them all personally then neither do you. What I would pass comment on though is that I hope one day soon that discussions like this becomes a thing of the past, because i could not give a rats ass who becomes top coaches in the future, as long as everyone is giving a fair crack at the whip.
Argggghhh, these things only become a problem when we ask the question ;).

So roughly in line with the UK population
But not in line with footballers.

And round we go
 
2 out of 92? That's a stat

And I'm not sure how you ask the entire black population to be honest
Here's a one.

To be a football manager I am under an impression that you need to do coaching badges to a certain level.

I would be interested to know how many black footballers/people are currently undertaking their coaching badges. That would be a good indicator of how many of them were interested in taking their football career forward as a coach.
 
I've seen the same sort of thing in the police force/Armed forces. There was recruitment drive after recruitment drive and it didn't really make any difference as most of the black community (including the Asian community) didn't want it know
 
Here's a one.

To be a football manager I am under an impression that you need to do coaching badges to a certain level.

I would be interested to know how many black footballers/people are currently undertaking their coaching badges. That would be a good indicator of how many of them were interested in taking their football career forward as a coach.
I have no idea.
 
I've seen the same sort of thing in the police force/Armed forces. There was recruitment drive after recruitment drive and it didn't really make any difference as most of the black community (including the Asian community) didn't want it know
Bad eggs!
 
What a load of absolute BS. The article states that only 3.4% of coaches are from what they call "BME backgrounds". Then they make a whole thing about how this is institutional racism, because amongst playing footballers the ratio is 25% from "BME backgrounds"

They totally ignore the fact that essentially you need to take the figure of people from a "BME background" that have reached retirement age for a footballer (which will be a lot smaller than 25% because a lot of previous generations of players who have since retired were made up of a smaller percentage of "BME background" players)

Then you have to take a percentage figure of those who have the necessary qualifications for management, so when you boil it down there is probably about 9% to 10% who fit into the demographic at the most that are are retired from a "BME background" and have the coaching qualifications and want to get into that side of the game.

Considering 3.4% are in coaching positions from a "BME background" that isn't a bad statistic. It will naturally increase over the next ten years (just as it has on the playing side) as more players from a "BME background" retire and go for their qualifications.
 
So roughly in line with the UK population

There's a shit load of black footballers not making the step up to management for whatever reason. It might be that they aren't good enough. It might be that they're not arsed. Or it might be something else.

They had exactly the same situation in the US. The Rooney Rule made it compulsory for teams to interview a black coach and the results were transformational. There's literally no harm in trying it here. If it forced recruitment or whatever its a different story but its not. It's just an interview.
 
What a load of absolute BS. The article states that only 3.4% of coaches are from what they call "BME backgrounds". Then they make a whole thing about how this is institutional racism, because amongst playing footballers the ratio is 25% from "BME backgrounds"

They totally ignore the fact that essentially you need to take the figure of people from a "BME background" that have reached retirement age for a footballer (which will be a lot smaller than 25% because a lot of previous generations of players who have since retired were made up of a smaller percentage of "BME background" players)

Then you have to take a percentage figure of those who have the necessary qualifications for management, so when you boil it down there is probably about 9% to 10% who fit into the demographic at the most that are are retired from a "BME background" and have the coaching qualifications and want to get into that side of the game.

Considering 3.4% are in coaching positions from a "BME background" that isn't a bad statistic. It will naturally increase over the next ten years (just as it has on the playing side) as more players from a "BME background" retire and go for their qualifications.
So the % of black players has gone from 3.4% to 25% just in the last few years?

Ok, I keenly await 25% of coaches being black in a few years ;)
 
There's a shit load of black footballers not making the step up to management for whatever reason. It might be that they aren't good enough. It might be that they're not arsed. Or it might be something else.

They had exactly the same situation in the US. The Rooney Rule made it compulsory for teams to interview a black coach and the results were transformational. There's literally no harm in trying it here. If it forced recruitment or whatever its a different story but its not. It's just an interview.
So if you had a black and white person applying for the same job with the same interview score, the black candidate would get it just because of his skin tone ?
 
Aye Walcott, Lennon, Wright Phillips, Gibbs, Chamberlain are all massive physical specimens.

And Bryan Robson, Steve Bruce and Tony Adams are highly intelligent men, overcoming their physical shortcomings.

A very sweeping generalisation? You think?!
To be fair, the black players mentioned are fast as fuck, so maybe are a poor example :)

I agree more black coaches need to be encouraged, but giving people jobs who may not deserve them could create racism. Give people encouragement to do their badges and provide a transparent application system that can be monitored by the FA.
 
What a load of absolute BS. The article states that only 3.4% of coaches are from what they call "BME backgrounds". Then they make a whole thing about how this is institutional racism, because amongst playing footballers the ratio is 25% from "BME backgrounds"

They totally ignore the fact that essentially you need to take the figure of people from a "BME background" that have reached retirement age for a footballer (which will be a lot smaller than 25% because a lot of previous generations of players who have since retired were made up of a smaller percentage of "BME background" players)

Then you have to take a percentage figure of those who have the necessary qualifications for management, so when you boil it down there is probably about 9% to 10% who fit into the demographic at the most that are are retired from a "BME background" and have the coaching qualifications and want to get into that side of the game.

Considering 3.4% are in coaching positions from a "BME background" that isn't a bad statistic. It will naturally increase over the next ten years (just as it has on the playing side) as more players from a "BME background" retire and go for their qualifications.
Oh and why would more white former players have this 'qualification for management' you speak of ?

So if you had a black and white person applying for the same job with the same interview score, the black candidate would get it just because of his skin tone ?
That's not how the Rooney rule works. You interview more black candidates you amazingly discover some of them are the best
 
So the % of black players has gone from 3.4% to 25% just in the last few years?

Ok, I keenly await 25% of coaches being black in a few years ;)

3.4% is just the percentage of black coaches. When you think about how many players who have retired the percentage of all coaches from retired players won't be all that high anyway.

Bringing in something like the Rooney rule is just stupid, because we will just go the other way and end up with positive discrimination where chairman are so frightened at the prospect of a lawsuit that they employ people just to appease some discrimination board
 
Maybe the people asking the questions should be looking at how committed black players/people are at trying to succeed in gaining coaching badges volunteering they time for free to get to the top
Yep, they must be bad eggs
 
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