Quotas for coloured coaches...


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So how do they prove they are good enough if they don't get the job?

Recruitment of managers and coaches in English football is a closed shop. Perpetual failures go from club to club getting jobs, on anything but merit.

Did Neil Warnock really deserve another shot at the Premier League when he has never been able to keep a team in it and he had just been sacked by Leeds United for finishing in the bottom half of the Championship?

If a black manager had been such a dismal failure as Brendan Rodgers was at Reading and Watford, would he really be Liverpool manager within 2 years?

How come Alan Pardew was sacked for failure at West Ham, then sacked for relegating Charlton (and taking them to the bottom of the Championship), then unable to get Southampton promoted from the third division (even though they had Rickie Lambert, Jose Fonte, Morga Schneiderlin, Adam Lallana in the side), then his next job is in the Premier League?

How come Paolo Di Canio went from one promotion in the Fourth Division to managing in the Premier League, when he was always, obviously, way out of his depth?

Could it be anything to do with the fact that every one of those managers had social connections to get them into those positions, whether that be Warnock knowing the Palace owners, Rodgers using his Chelsea connections, Pardew knowing Mike Ashley, or Di Canio eating in the same restaurant as Ellis Short?

People on here get very defensive and touchy on this subject. They like to tell themselves that appointments are on merit, and there are simply no black managers / coaches who are good enough to be appointed to top jobs. No doubt people will start showing pictures of Paul Ince's notebook within a couple of posts. They miss the point. The point is not whether a club chairman has ever sat down and thought 'I will not appoint so and so as manager because he is black'. The point is that the whole managerial recruitment within football is done on the basis of connections, and anything but merit. That is why only 19 of the top 552 positions are taken by black people. That is unfair and discriminatory and people who challenge it are right to do so.

Do black ex-players not have social connections like? Could a black ex-player not have been in the restaurant with Short that night? I don't doubt that managers are often picked on anything but merit and that it is often a case of who you know with the same, failed, faces turning up job after job but I don't seriously believe that there are that many well-connected people to prevent a black person even getting a good coaching position, or that all the people who are well-connected and lucky enough to get on the merrygoround all happen to be white - black players can "network" too.

Positive discrimination isn't the way to address anything, and especially not the issue of people getting jobs that they havent earned on merit, appointing someone because theyre black is the opposite of an on-merit appointment. The Rooney Rule? Well at least that has some merit (you don't get guaranteed a job but are at least given the opportunity to be heard which, if the closed shop thing is right, might help a black person to get a foot in the door). Maybe they could invest more in trying to get black people (particularly ex-players) onto coaching courses - how many black ex-players currently hold the highest coaching qualifications? If its loads but they can't even get a job at Lincoln City then there's obviously a deeper problem but if there aren't many then maybe that's where to start, not shoehorning them into jobs they aren't the best person for.
 
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The Rooney rule has been a resounding success in the states. No idea if it will have the same impact here but bear in mind that the op lives in an institutionally racist country. Hence to the title.
 
The problem is where will it end, ive never seen a Chinese coach in the premier league? or for that matter a disabled coach? Ffs people should and do get jobs because a owner thinks he will win games, i dont think anyone would give a shit if they were white, black or purple as long as they win simple as that..
 
Totally wrong. When people are on the shortlist just because of the colour of their skin, it's degrading for the person and the job.

The chairman just wants success and money. He would appoint a 3 legged elephant with purple spots if the team won matches.
 
As a rule of thumb I discount anything that precedes the phrase "pc gone mad" as bigotry without listening to it.

...ironic as that may be.
 
The amount of black people in the country is proportionate to the amount of black managers, at least last time I checked it was which was a matter of months ago because this subject reappears all of the f***ing time. There are less black people than white people, therefore less black managers.

Complete non issue only cried about by the PC brigade and that should be the end of discussion.
 
The amount of black people in the country is proportionate to the amount of black managers, at least last time I checked it was which was a matter of months ago because this subject reappears all of the f***ing time. There are less black people than white people, therefore less black managers.

Complete non issue only cried about by the PC brigade and that should be the end of discussion.

Using that logic, there should be less black people in prison then.

Erm.... Boom
 
Are there any stats on the number of black players wanting to go into management after they've retired from playing? How many take the coaching badge courses and so on? Just curious to know where they'd get the right "quota" level from.

Doubt it'll happen mind mind.
 
The amount of black people in the country is proportionate to the amount of black managers, at least last time I checked it was which was a matter of months ago because this subject reappears all of the f***ing time. There are less black people than white people, therefore less black managers.

Complete non issue only cried about by the PC brigade and that should be the end of discussion.

Thankfully there are many of us who want to see this topic debated and if that makes me PC then bring it on.

For starters we're not talking about society in general here, we're talking about football!

And what is the percentage of black players in English professional football? It hovers around the 25-30 per cent mark in England. So one or two head coaches suggests an enormous disparity.

Why? Black people are successful in all walks of life. We have rules against discrimination which have certainly enabled black people to overcome prejudice. In life sometimes you have to overload for a short time in order to create an equilibrium.

However given the track record of the FA over the years and the corrupt Swiss bloke in Geneva on all matters, then I certainly don't have any confidence that the mainly white, patriarchal cabal who make up the football authorities and most club boardrooms will do anything unless forced to.

There was a much better thread about this a few months back. Sadly there's one too many involved in this one who are struggling to contain their bigoted views.
 
The amount of black people in the country is proportionate to the amount of black managers, at least last time I checked it was which was a matter of months ago because this subject reappears all of the f***ing time. There are less black people than white people, therefore less black managers.

Complete non issue only cried about by the PC brigade and that should be the end of discussion.
Clueless. Its not about the make up of the general population, but the makeup of people involved in the sport, as has been pointed out.

Now lets look at the other glaring issue - where are all the Indian players, never mind managers and coaches?
 
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