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Re: Backpasses

Another thought - a goalkeeper from a back pass is unable to handle the ball, just like an outfield player is not allowed. What is the difference between what Simon Mignolet did and an outfield player doing the same thing by catching the ball to save a certain goal?

The only difference, as far as I can see, is that the punishment for the offence is an indirect free kick rather than a penalty.

Either way, you're breaking the rules deliberately to deny a goal.

An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper, inside his own penalty area, commits any of the following four offences:
• controls the ball with his hands for more than six seconds before releasing
it from his possession
• touches the ball again with his hands after he has released it from his
possession and before it has touched another player
• touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to him
by a team-mate
• touches the ball with his hands after he has received it directly from a
throw-in taken by a team-mate

Not when facing a pass back they arent.

Goakeepers can handle it if the ball is a) in his box AND b) it isnt a pass back

If he infringes a) he is red carded as the law stands.

For me if he infringes b) as blatently and as deliberately as Mig did yesterday it should similarly be red.

I dont see why we treat the 2 differently :confused:

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
• serious foul play
• violentconduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match
 
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Also, as much as people/journalists/pundits like to pretend otherwise, there are only seven reasons a referee can issue a yellow card. As you will see, the vast majority are issued as unsporting behaviour as you can't issue one specifically for kicking someone, tripping someone, etc:

A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences:
• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
• delaying the restart of play
• failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner
kick, free kick or throw-in
• entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee’s permission
• deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s permission
 
Re: Backpasses

I think they need to lighten the rule personally, allow keepers to block back passes with hands but not catch or hold them, obviously Mig caught it this time so it wouldn't make any difference to the freekick, but it would stop this 'goalscoring opportunity' shite
 
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Did Gordon get booked when he saved that Richardson shot against Wolves?

One of the most stupid things i've ever seen on the football field that.

On the touchline, keeper wants the ball played to his feet he then precedes to hammer it at him so the keeper has to scramble back and claw it away. :lol:
 
Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

through foul play.
Which is the more serious offence?
Seems a pretty bizzare law that allows Mignolet to stay on the pitch for comitting the latter, when a defender could chop a forward (who MIGHT score) down and receive a red card.
Anyone else a bit puzzled?
 
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I liked Mig's reaction of "what was I meant to do like?"

If he'd have been sent off Larsson should've been subbed for the replacement keeper to come on!
 
Re: Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

I liked Mig's reaction of "what was I meant to do like?"

If he'd have been sent off Larsson should've been subbed for the replacement keeper to come on!

Ref couldn't have sent him off. That's the point, it's a crazy law when you get a red card for denying a goalscoring 'opportunity'
 
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Ref couldn't have sent him off. That's the point, it's a crazy law when you get a red card for denying a goalscoring 'opportunity'

It's not. It's not a goalscoring opportunity, it's a backpass that in this case happened to be going in.

No more to be said really.
 
Re: Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

It's not. It's not a goalscoring opportunity, it's a backpass that in this case happened to be going in.

No more to be said really.

So, in all liklihood, without Mignolet's illegal intervention, would the passage of play resulted in a goal for Everton? I would say with 100% certainty it would have. Seems a bit odd that you can bring a forward through on goal down (who still has the keeper to beat) and it's a straight red card.
 
Re: Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

It's not. It's not a goalscoring opportunity, it's a backpass that in this case happened to be going in.

No more to be said really.

I dont get the distinction. An own goal counts the same as a goal last time I checked. One :confused:

We were all a little bit sick to the stomach when we saw that runt Luis Suarez celebrating after Ghana missed their pen in the World Cup after his deliberate handball. The difference between what Suarez did in the World Cup and what Mignolet did on Saturday, ethically, is negligible. They both knew it was wrong, they both decided to deny the other team a perfectly good goal, they both cheated, they both did so deliberately.

I understand the rules are the rules and as it stands the ref couldnt send him off. But they should change because this is an anomoly in the rules.
 
Re: Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

I dont get the distinction. An own goal counts the same as a goal last time I checked. One :confused:

We were all a little bit sick to the stomach when we saw that runt Luis Suarez celebrating after Ghana missed their pen in the World Cup after his deliberate handball. The difference between what Suarez did in the World Cup and what Mignolet did on Saturday, ethically, is negligible. They both knew it was wrong, they both decided to deny the other team a perfectly good goal, they both cheated, they both did so deliberately.

I understand the rules are the rules and as it stands the ref couldnt send him off. But they should change because this is an anomoly in the rules.

I said there was nowt more to say.
 
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