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And sending people off for handballs was to stop players cheating on the line.

Which is what Mig did :lol:

I think its crazy we basically cheated Everton out of a goal and we're pissing and whinging about a yellow card for it!

I understand the rules of the game and I know it would be impossible for the ref to give Mig a red given the rules. But, fuck me, the rule has to change. If a keeper deliberately handles it then he has to go.



Fuck off.

SMB disease this f***ing thread. Someone comes on and tries to make a different point in quite a polite way and you get f***ing wankers with these one liner shit comments.

Do you tell complete strangers they are idiots to their face when they're chatting football? Or just online where I cant put a glass through your face?

:eek::eek:
idiot
 
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And sending people off for handballs was to stop players cheating on the line.

Which is what Mig did :lol:

I think its crazy we basically cheated Everton out of a goal and we're pissing and whinging about a yellow card for it!

I understand the rules of the game and I know it would be impossible for the ref to give Mig a red given the rules. But, fuck me, the rule has to change. If a keeper deliberately handles it then he has to go.



Fuck off.

SMB disease this f***ing thread. Someone comes on and tries to make a different point in quite a polite way and you get f***ing wankers with these one liner shit comments.

Do you tell complete strangers they are idiots to their face when they're chatting football? Or just online where I cant put a glass through your face?

That's because outfielders are not allowed to handle the ball. A goalkeeper is. Can you imagine the chaos if keepers could suddenly be red-carded for handling the ball in the box? Most backpass infringements are keepers not realising it was a back pass.

i don't see a problem with the rule. I can accept the yellow for "unsporting behaviour", but that's it.

Your last comment is utterly ridiculous too.
 
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Difference between penalising and booking goalies. I might have this wrong but do goalies automatically get booked for handling a back pass inside their own area? As far as I'm aware they dont.

I'm comfortable with Mignolet being "penalised" but as I say not so comfortable with him being booked until someone tells me why.

Nee bother; just move on and forget about it. ;)

No I think you have the rules right. There is no automatic yellow card for a pasback. My understanding of the rules is that he shouldnt have been booked. I think the ref can only do him for ungentlemany conduct - and iirc Craig Gordon was done in the same way against Wolves a few year back? We won 3-2 and Richardson lobbed him!

However really my point was I think the rules need to be changed. Obviously not in time to punish Mig ;) - but for me if someone deliberately cheats to avoid conceding a goal then they should see red.
 
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No I think you have the rules right. There is no automatic yellow card for a pasback. My understanding of the rules is that he shouldnt have been booked. I think the ref can only do him for ungentlemany conduct - and iirc Craig Gordon was done in the same way against Wolves a few year back? We won 3-2 and Richardson lobbed him!

However really my point was I think the rules need to be changed. Obviously not in time to punish Mig ;) - but for me if someone deliberately cheats to avoid conceding a goal then they should see red.
the whole thing, after yesterday, needs clarifying thats for sure.
 
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How can it be denying a goal scoring opportunity?

It was our own dim wit player who kicked the ball.

If cuellar caught an osman 50 yarder in the box then that would be completely different
 
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That's because outfielders are not allowed to handle the ball. A goalkeeper is

Not when facing a pass back they arent.

Goakeepers can handle it if the ball is a) in his box AND b) it isnt a pass back

If he infringes a) he is red carded as the law stands.

For me if he infringes b) as blatently and as deliberately as Mig did yesterday it should similarly be red.

I dont see why we treat the 2 differently :confused:
 
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And sending people off for handballs was to stop players cheating on the line.

Which is what Mig did :lol:

I think its crazy we basically cheated Everton out of a goal and we're pissing and whinging about a yellow card for it!

I understand the rules of the game and I know it would be impossible for the ref to give Mig a red given the rules. But, fuck me, the rule has to change. If a keeper deliberately handles it then he has to go.



Fuck off.

SMB disease this f***ing thread. Someone comes on and tries to make a different point in quite a polite way and you get f***ing wankers with these one liner shit comments.

Do you tell complete strangers they are idiots to their face when they're chatting football? Or just online where I cant put a glass through your face?

I do when they're talking rubbish.

A goalkeeper is not allowed to handle from a backpass. That is why the rules state that it is a free kick. That is the punishment. Whether it is going for goal or not is irrelevant. A goal scoring opportunity for me is something the other team has to instigate or create. The pass was of our doing and we were punished according to the rules other than the booking
 
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Or......
3. Wrongly interpreted the pass back as being a deflection.

tbf I think what Mignolet done was worthy of a red card and a penalty. Obviously not under the current laws as the rules are what they are - but I think in future there should be no distinction between a GK deliberately handling it on the line illegally and a defender.

Really struggling to reconcile those two sentences. The laws singularly dictate was is worthy of a red card and penalty.

What you must mean is that you think that what Mignolet did is worthy of prompting a rethink of the law.

Either way, there was no miscarriage of justice or anything. The law was applied correctly and the proper punishment (in terms of the free kick at least) was administered.
 
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Really? :lol: So tell me.....at what point were you an idiot talking rubbish? In March when you said we needed 6 new players.

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?p=14654096&highlight=#post14654096

Or January when you said we only needed 3 and that we had a great squad?

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?p=14365399&highlight=#post14365399

Because in jan we hadnt a chance to see players we had either signed or not yet.
Still think in an ideal world we need six as i think the players we signed such as mangane are going to leave or players such as ndiaye maybe need someone better on the ball beside them. We need 2 full backs aswell.

Anything else?
 
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There's a really simple solution to this and that is not to try and lob your own goalkeeper.
 
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Because in jan we hadnt a chance to see players we had either signed or not yet.
Still think in an ideal world we need six as i think the players we signed such as mangane are going to leave or players such as ndiaye maybe need someone better on the ball beside them. We need 2 full backs aswell.

Anything else?

According to you in January we needed no centre backs. We hadnt recently signed 2 defenders at that point who you could realistically have been adopting a "wait and see" attitude towards. Mangane on loan is tenuous at best and 1 centre back at best.

The fact is you changed your opinion. Which is f***ing fair enough. We all get things wrong - and I certainly have too. I thought the Mags would torture us last week.

But for someone with a changeable opinion you should have a little more humility towards your fellow SAFC fan when they have a contrary opinion about something.
 
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Not when facing a pass back they arent.

Goakeepers can handle it if the ball is a) in his box AND b) it isnt a pass back

If he infringes a) he is red carded as the law stands.

For me if he infringes b) as blatently and as deliberately as Mig did yesterday it should similarly be red.

I dont see why we treat the 2 differently :confused:

I can't work out whether you're taking the piss or not :lol:
 
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Really struggling to reconcile those two sentences. The laws singularly dictate was is worthy of a red card and penalty.

What you must mean is that you think that what Mignolet did is worthy of prompting a rethink of the law.

Either way, there was no miscarriage of justice or anything. The law was applied correctly and the proper punishment (in terms of the free kick at least) was administered.

I agree with everything you've said. I think a rethink of the law is necessary.....but everything what happened yesterday was within the laws of the game as they stand - so no miscarriage of justice.

I can't work out whether you're taking the piss or not :lol:

I'm not but I'll be interested to hear you construct an argument against what you're quoting because nobody else has convinced me.
 
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I agree with everything you've said. I think a rethink of the law is necessary.....but everything what happened yesterday was within the laws of the game as they stand - so no miscarriage of justice.



I'm not but I'll be interested to hear you construct an argument against what you're quoting because nobody else has convinced me.

Apart from the yellow. ;)
 
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I think the card is his first of the season

so it is impossible to get a yellow card related ban with only 4 games left

which is what really matters...

...in the meantime I've been checking some none footballing laws and glassing someone just because they called you an idiot normally results in a custodial sentence. And a barring from the pub.
 
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