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I didn't think it merited a card either. I have never seen a goalkeeper carded for a back pass that was 10 yards away, so whats the difference from 40 yards? Technically it's the same thing.

The obvious difference is that the ball was clearly going into the goal. The only way that Simon Mignolet could stop the goal was by deliberately breaking the rules and conceding a free kick. You could equate it with tugging back an attacker as he is clean through. You're denying a goal by deliberately infringing the rules, taking a free kick to deny a goal.

In my view it is obviously unsporting behaviour - although of course almost everybody would do it.

In most cases with back passes the offending goalkeeper either forgets in the heat of the moment, or believes that the "pass" wasn't a pass at all.
 
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The obvious difference is that the ball was clearly going into the goal. The only way that Simon Mignolet could stop the goal was by deliberately breaking the rules and conceding a free kick. You could equate it with tugging back an attacker as he is clean through. You're denying a goal by deliberately infringing the rules, taking a free kick to deny a goal.

In my view it is obviously unsporting behaviour - although of course almost everybody would do it.

In most cases with back passes the offending goalkeeper either forgets in the heat of the moment, or believes that the "pass" wasn't a pass at all.

But whats the difference from a 10 yard passback going in and 40 yard one? Didn't warrant a card imo. Regardless of the distance the goalkeeper is always going to stop it going in.
 
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But whats the difference from a 10 yard passback going in and 40 yard one? Didn't warrant a card imo. Regardless of the distance the goalkeeper is always going to stop it going in.

No difference if it's going in - most of the time they aren't going in.
 
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But whats the difference from a 10 yard passback going in and 40 yard one? Didn't warrant a card imo. Regardless of the distance the goalkeeper is always going to stop it going in.


I can't say that I have noticed any difference in approach by refs dependant on how far away it was. The decision yesterday was made by the ref because Mignolet had plenty of time to decide, and he basically knew exactly what he was doing. Most backpasses are mistakes by goalkeepers rather than fully intentional.
 
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Imagine if this had been the other way round, and the opposition goalkeeper had done the same.

Red card and a lifetime ban would have been the verdict on here, I reckon.
 
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Another thought - a goalkeeper from a back pass is unable to handle the ball, just like an outfield player is not allowed. What is the difference between what Simon Mignolet did and an outfield player doing the same thing by catching the ball to save a certain goal?

The only difference, as far as I can see, is that the punishment for the offence is an indirect free kick rather than a penalty.

Either way, you're breaking the rules deliberately to deny a goal.
 
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"Unsporting behaviour" is fairly subjective. I expect the ref was distinguishing between when an idiot keeper hasn't realised it was a backpass, and when he knowingly collects a backpass to prevent a goal. As far as I can tell, refs seem to have carte blanche when it comes to classifying things as "unsporting behaviour".

The referee has to submit a report, so I will assume his reasoning will be revealed?

Not that it really matters, anyway.

There's only 2 times a keeper will pick it up though

1 - Risk of a goal being scored
2 - Forgot about the rule

Given that 99% of the time it will be the first of those, then almost all backpasses would result in this "unsporting conduct".

Which is why I think its stupid that he was booked.
 
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There's only 2 times a keeper will pick it up though

1 - Risk of a goal being scored
2 - Forgot about the rule

Given that 99% of the time it will be the first of those, then almost all backpasses would result in this "unsporting conduct".

Which is why I think its stupid that he was booked.

Spot on.
 
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There's only 2 times a keeper will pick it up though

1 - Risk of a goal being scored
2 - Forgot about the rule

Given that 99% of the time it will be the first of those, then almost all backpasses would result in this "unsporting conduct".

Which is why I think its stupid that he was booked.

It's the first time I've seen the keeper, yellow carded for the offence.
 
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Its farcical. Whats he meant to do? "Oooh this isnt good.. oh shit its a bit high.. got to catch it here or its in..oh fuck i might get a yellow best let it go over my head and pray" all in seconds
 
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apparently it is deliberate hand ball, which is a mandatory booking (mandatory as in when a Ref decides to) technically he could have been sent off as he was denying a goal scoring opportunity.

I would guess that there will have been twenty or so back passes free kicks in SAFC games since the rule was introduced and this is the only time I can remember a card being issued

Dowd making a tit of himself as usual

No way. Migs was not preventing a goal scoring opportunity. He was there to keep the ball out of the net and he did just that. The yellow card was a mistake by the referee.
 
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Was Gordon(IIRC) booked when he handled a Richardson backpass against Man U a few years back?

It was quite similar circumstances.
 
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It was a harsh decision, but you can understand it. It wasn't a split second panic decision. He was fully conscious of what he was doing. Not that it matters much, he's not going to pick up enough to get a suspension.
 
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There's only 2 times a keeper will pick it up though

1 - Risk of a goal being scored
2 - Forgot about the rule

Given that 99% of the time it will be the first of those, then almost all backpasses would result in this "unsporting conduct".

Which is why I think its stupid that he was booked.

I've seen far more "accidental" ones than fully intentional ones.
 
A goal keeper can not be penalised for handball in the penalty area.

Pass back is a technical offence, like offside, foul throws and the ball not leaving the area during a goal kick. They are not classed as a foul or misconduct.

Only thing he might get away with is claiming it was unsporting conduct.

This 100% correct - yesterdays incident was an anomoly that the legislation doesn't really cover.
 
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