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Re: Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

OK. List the things that a goalkeeper facing a backpass can do that an outfield player can't do under the rules.

I put it to you that there is nothing. However punishments differ. Thats not right for my money.

You're just thinking of "handle it" under the rules.

"Goalkeeper" is a specialised position, other sports have the similar "specialist" players where rules are applied to them differently. They're there for one reason alone, and that's to keep the ball out of their net. Once you start f***ing about with this to the point that they can get sent off for preventing a goal from a wayward backpass from one of their own players, then it gets ridiculous.

Same with the ridiculous offside rule that we have in now.
 
Re: Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

can we burn referees instead? Webb?

I dinnar like.

I reckon we either burn him or drown him in a big pond to prove he was a good ref after all.

I reckon that lass linesman who Keys and Gray had a go at is the best official in the league mind. She'd agree with me ;)
 
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ffs I know the rules! I know Mig should NOT have been sent off under the rules as they stand. ffs I've said so a million times.

I am suggesting the rules should change for consistency.

Its nee good using the rules to prove that the rules are correct. Otherwise we'd still be burning witches!

So you're saying outfield players and keepers should be treat the same (apart from obvious using the hands stuff), am I right?
 
Further to the above, what if there was a scrum of players in the middle of the park and a player tried to pass back to his own 'keeper and miscued it, necessitating a save, and due to the position of the incident the 'keeper was unable to ascertain who kicked it and why? He would be sent off through no fault of his own.
 
Re: Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

A goalscoring opportunity is as valid if its created through the attacking teams guile or the defending teams mistake.

Imagine Steven Taylor slips on his arse and Sess nips into score. Imagine then Steven Taylor tugs his shirt before he can score. This scenario was not created by the attacking team but I'd be enraged if that cockney horrible bastard didnt see red for doing such a thing.

But the tug would be given as a free kick to us for the foul play of taylor an he shown a red card if he was the last man. This would not be a goal scoring opportunity, it would be a foul. Thats the way I see it anyway as the keeper is still to be beaten.

If taylor had tracked back, sess rounded the keeper and shot, the ball was heading in and taylor hand balled it, this would be denying a 100% goal scoring opportunity as the ball was heading in.
 
Further to the above, what if there was a scrum of players in the middle of the park and a player tried to pass back to his own 'keeper and miscued it, necessitating a save, and due to the position of the incident the 'keeper was unable to ascertain who kicked it and why? He would be sent off through no fault of his own.

sound point.
 
Dunno if seb like but to answer the question, the reason he wasn't sent off is there is a rule saying a goalkeeper can not be dismissed for handling the ball in his own area.

bizarre rule but there you go.
 
Or where the laws of the game have not been applied correctly.

Didn't know that if true then it comes down to what Dowd scribbled down - "caution for handling backpass" should be revoked "Caution for unsporting behaviour" would stand. Bet it's the latter like.
 
Further to the above, what if there was a scrum of players in the middle of the park and a player tried to pass back to his own 'keeper and miscued it, necessitating a save, and due to the position of the incident the 'keeper was unable to ascertain who kicked it and why? He would be sent off through no fault of his own.

Well understood its a difficult one and its a fair point.

But in that situation the goalkeeper hasnt deliberately broken the rules - I think thats the key point.

Its not deliberate handball so I wouldnt be suggesting in this case a red card be brandished.
 
Well understood its a difficult one and its a fair point.

But in that situation the goalkeeper hasnt deliberately broken the rules - I think thats the key point.

Its not deliberate handball so I wouldnt be suggesting in this case a red card be brandished.

To play devils' advocate, there was a defender between Seb and Mig y'knar.
 
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So you're saying outfield players and keepers should be treat the same (apart from obvious using the hands stuff), am I right?

Pretty much, yeah.

To play devils' advocate, there was a defender between Seb and Mig y'knar.

I think Mig knew what he was doing.

But this would be the call for the ref.

He already has to decide if a penalty was deliberate handball or not before he gives a penalty. And they always get em right dont they? ;)
 
Stupid thing is, the 6 second rule never seems to be penalised anymore.

Should bring it back to a certain number of steps so we can watch goalies goose stepping around the penalty area again.
 
Well understood its a difficult one and its a fair point.

But in that situation the goalkeeper hasnt deliberately broken the rules - I think thats the key point.

Its not deliberate handball so I wouldnt be suggesting in this case a red card be brandished.

Well, the point of the rules isn't to punish 'keepers. The reason was, as stated above, to prevent time wasting. What you're saying is, since the rule has been brought in that we take it to extreme lengths and make the 'keeper's job more difficult for no other reason than to carry on the "back pass rule" to its conclusion.

All it is is a rule to discourage time wasting by giving the ball back to the other team if it occurs. Once you start sending off, nay yellow carding, 'keepers for doing their job, you're descending into "interfering with play" offside madness. :lol:
 
Re: Denying a goal scoring opportunity vs denying a certain goal

Pretty much, yeah.

Goalkeepers are treated differently, it's the only specialist position on the field.

Here's a bizarre hypothical for you illustrate why:

Goalkeepers throw themselves head first at the feet of attackers, imagine if Seb has the ball at his feet in the centre circle and suddenly Tiote comes flying in head first like a spear, heads the ball away and clatters into Seb.

That's fine then, as long as he doesn't handle it?
 
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