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Put a flat earthier into space

And so we are back to multiple quotes to fragment the discussion into individual sentences, to enable our flat earth friend to avoid addressing any actual points.

Bottom line is you have a belief system more akin to a religion, which is fine. But that is all it is.
To be fair we can all argue along those lines because I believe your belief system is akin to religion.
With me, it's more a case of me questioning the original religion (global Earth) and trying to actually start to look for potential alternatives to it, whether they're thought of as right, wrong, or downright nuts by whoever...or into another religion.

I believe the biggest stories in life, of fiction, are religion and the spinning globe.
The issue is in who places them on what shelf. Fact or fiction or on the fence.
Be happy, accept that but don't be surprised when you are criticised for failing to recognise it for what it is and promoting it as an evidence based reality
I fully expect to be criticised. Don't think for a second that I don't accept being criticised or dug at in all ways, shapes and forms. I expect it and I leave it all up to whoever wants to think about whatever it is they deem worthy of taking in.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. All I say is, if you want to think outside the box then do so. If not, then carry on with what you accept and believe from the mainstream.

I have no issues with anyone who thinks whatever they think in terms of what's on offer to the wider public. I just question the set narratives and have my own theories based on what I do and come up with whether that's dismissed by a few or by the majority.
 

Great photos 👍 I just don't understand why they scrapped all the technology and can't go back, some say it was to stop the Russians getting their hands on the tech, although to be fair I did see something a few months back that they are working on the technology for a proposed man made landing sometime down the line. Who knows.
Some of it is not so much as being scrapped, it is also that it is not suitable for the modern day. Key parts of the systems remain, as do design documents, but safety and design back then was not anywhere near what it is now. Obviously if they made it exactly the same then it would work exactly the same, but from what has been learned in years of space travel since then both legal and moral standards have changed. As such they needed a redesign to bring up to modern safety standards. There is also more space, power etc, which means room for more science to be performed on the missions. The end result is the same, get on the moon, but what can be done there and how it is done is very different.
 
To be fair we can all argue along those lines because I believe your belief system is akin to religion.
With me, it's more a case of me questioning the original religion (global Earth) and trying to actually start to look for potential alternatives to it, whether they're thought of as right, wrong, or downright nuts by whoever...or into another religion.

I believe the biggest stories in life, of fiction, are religion and the spinning globe.
The issue is in who places them on what shelf. Fact or fiction or on the fence.

I fully expect to be criticised. Don't think for a second that I don't accept being criticised or dug at in all ways, shapes and forms. I expect it and I leave it all up to whoever wants to think about whatever it is they deem worthy of taking in.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. All I say is, if you want to think outside the box then do so. If not, then carry on with what you accept and believe from the mainstream.

I have no issues with anyone who thinks whatever they think in terms of what's on offer to the wider public. I just question the set narratives and have my own theories based on what I do and come up with whether that's dismissed by a few or by the majority.
What you don't seem to appreciate is the difference between belief and evidence based model. You appear to think they are worthy of equal credibility.

A belief system is just that, something that is believed DESPITE a lack of evidence or verification

An evidence based model is one that uses testing, evidence and review to explain observation and inform future understanding.

The second is robust and enhanced and developed by robust challenge and argument.

The former survives by avoiding challenge and argument around the basic belief.

They are evidently not worthy of equivalent consideration
 
Some of it is not so much as being scrapped, it is also that it is not suitable for the modern day. Key parts of the systems remain, as do design documents, but safety and design back then was not anywhere near what it is now. Obviously if they made it exactly the same then it would work exactly the same, but from what has been learned in years of space travel since then both legal and moral standards have changed. As such they needed a redesign to bring up to modern safety standards. There is also more space, power etc, which means room for more science to be performed on the missions. The end result is the same, get on the moon, but what can be done there and how it is done is very different.

The early missions to the moon were extraordinary. Proper old school exploration where the technology was a bit tin can and just fit for purpose. But we did it.
The next wave of space exploration will be more professional and at far higher standards.
It’s going to be great to see in my lifetime.
So as well as this explain your superfluid experiments, I'm sure you said you had done some.
Very intrigued as to what you used and what the process was, and the results obviously!

I’m not sure he is allowed sharp objects in real life.
 
What you don't seem to appreciate is the difference between belief and evidence based model. You appear to think they are worthy of equal credibility.
The global model is a belief system by the majority public. They will argue for it because that's the accepted norm and people just do not want to go against any grain and most people do not want to take any time to question what's thrown out as fact as long as it comes with some kind of official tag, whether that's government or the NASA or the media or someone with a few letters aside their name that is touted as expert.

You can argue there's evidence for a globe and your argument will be based in large part on the above without you knowing the truth for yourself.
A belief system is just that, something that is believed DESPITE a lack of evidence or verification
Yep and this is where the globe comes in.

An evidence based model is one that uses testing, evidence and review to explain observation and inform future understanding.
As long as the testing shows the reality and is not said to be a reality but cloaked in secrecy but you must believe it anyway.
The second is robust and enhanced and developed by robust challenge and argument.
And what is a robust challenge?
The former survives by avoiding challenge and argument around the basic belief.
Such as?
They are evidently not worthy of equivalent consideration
In your mind, of course, and for good reason. You basically accept and follow the accepted party line. The mainstream ideals. The majority mindset. I get it.
We all do it and it's just a case of what and how many parts we do accept by the majority rather than stepping aside to see a bigger picture.
 
So as well as this explain your superfluid experiments, I'm sure you said you had done some.
Very intrigued as to what you used and what the process was, and the results obviously!
If you can show me where I said I ha done some then we can carry on from there.
I'll leave it up to you to find that seeing as you believe I did say it.
 
They're all good stories for those who wish to go along with them but that's all they are. Nobody is in possession of facts.

As I said earlier, Earth should be a cratered mess if the moon is what we are told, a meteor-cratered rock.
Not to mention the craters of the moon would not look like we see if angled so-called space rock came into it.
Remember we wouldn't be talking about lobbing a rock onto the beach we would be talking about angling a rock throw in a straight trajectory that would not leave a perfectly circular crater. It would leave a skim and then a pushed-up mound to one part, like digging an angled tunnel in a small hill.
Ah the 'nice story' dismissal. There is a lot of evidence for historic much higher meteor activity (including a rather large one here 65 million years ago) but if you decide to dismiss it all then you are left with no evidence. That is one of the problems, you dismiss all evidence you don't understand or doesn't fit your fantasy, so can never see the side of reality.

No a meteor strike would not have to be at skimming angle. Look at the scale image posted yesterday. Can you really not see all the possible angles the moon can be hit from? It is your lack of comprehension of the scale of the world and beyond that is letting you down.

The earth has weather systems and is volcanically active, as well as being covered in tidal oceans. While some craters exist, this constant erosion plus build up of soil matter, etc constantly changes and hides older crater impacts. Some have been discovered using ground penetrating radar. Such findings are published regularly.

As I said earlier, the moon is still being hit and with it being a popular imaging target for amateur astronomers, it is not uncommon for an average person with a few hundred quid of kit to image it. Do the googling I have said and you will find lots of accounts.

You will probably ignore this question, but have you ever pointed a telescope to the moon and studied it's craters, mapping them out and checking against guides? How would you know if new craters have appeared or not? Is this an area you have studied?
I don't cling to any flat Earth bible.
As for wanting to know the truth. I won't get it from mainstream libraries in terms of what I'm arguing against but I will get more stories trying to coax me into a belief in fiction.
Yes you do. Your whole lemon squeezer model of the earth and your 8" per mile squared (wrong!) rule is from there, yet you parrot it all the time. The issue is you dismiss all evidence for anything else then cling to this for which you openly admit there is no evidence. It is all an unworkable fantasy and is why you come unstuck on it every time people quiz you for details. You are unfortunately trapped in a paranoid fantasy, which is a shame. The world and beyond is a wonderful place with lots of fascinating things to investigate and learn about, but you sit entirely trapped in your own thoughts making up an alternate reality.

On the point of experiments, are you willing to give details of method, equipment and results? You say "oh people can get simple things and experiment themselves". You ask for extreme detail of experiments, results and calculations from others, yet have only described one single experiment you have done (spirit level in a bath). I can only conclude from that, that your experiments are flawed and you know it, or you lie. Are you willing to give more details as we approach page 700 of you insisting that the rest of humanity is wrong and you have experiments to prove it?
 
If you can show me where I said I ha done some then we can carry on from there.
I'll leave it up to you to find that seeing as you believe I did say it.

What A Waster said:
About superfluid
You: I just know about. You'll have to accept that or not

I just know because I've done experiments. You trying to alter that to me saying I was born knowing it is down to you.



Yep, both.
I was born with innate knowledge as we all are. It's called natural senses.
And experiments.
 
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The global model is a belief system by the majority public. They will argue for it because that's the accepted norm and people just do not want to go against any grain and most people do not want to take any time to question what's thrown out as fact as long as it comes with some kind of official tag, whether that's government or the NASA or the media or someone with a few letters aside their name that is touted as expert.
Wrong, it is proven reality with overwhelming evidence. The problem is you dismiss it all in your paranoid fantasy. It is not healthy.
 
The early missions to the moon were extraordinary. Proper old school exploration where the technology was a bit tin can and just fit for purpose. But we did it.
The next wave of space exploration will be more professional and at far higher standards.
It’s going to be great to see in my lifetime.
Lunokhod was also extraordinary. The stories are definitely extraordinary. Great for sci-fi.
The Americans landed in their school-made contraption rigged up by little Stanley rigger and class who won the competition for who could build a model based on what they could bring from home.
Roofing paper, cardboard. Tin foil and curtain rods and a whole host of other stuff, not forgetting the stuff to stick it all together. Duct tape.

The Russian school found a big only tin kettle and hoyed some wheels and stuff on.

the rest of the story was all about how man landed on the moon in the cardboard and tinfoil one and how the kettle turned robotic and unmanned yet brought back samples.

All extraordinary stuff indeed. Funny and interesting how the general public can be duped into believing this utter nonsense. But. that's just my opinion and I am classed as a nutter, so it's worth little. ;)
 
Lunokhod was also extraordinary. The stories are definitely extraordinary. Great for sci-fi.
The Americans landed in their school-made contraption rigged up by little Stanley rigger and class who won the competition for who could build a model based on what they could bring from home.
Roofing paper, cardboard. Tin foil and curtain rods and a whole host of other stuff, not forgetting the stuff to stick it all together. Duct tape.

The Russian school found a big only tin kettle and hoyed some wheels and stuff on.

the rest of the story was all about how man landed on the moon in the cardboard and tinfoil one and how the kettle turned robotic and unmanned yet brought back samples.

All extraordinary stuff indeed. Funny and interesting how the general public can be duped into believing this utter nonsense. But. that's just my opinion and I am classed as a nutter, so it's worth little. ;)

I’m particularly impressed that you can see when the multi-million dollar spacecraft hits the dome in this image. All that money for nothing.

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Ah the 'nice story' dismissal. There is a lot of evidence for historic much higher meteor activity (including a rather large one here 65 million years ago) but if you decide to dismiss it all then you are left with no evidence.
There's a story and that's all it is. There are no facts and you know it.
That is one of the problems, you dismiss all evidence you don't understand or doesn't fit your fantasy, so can never see the side of reality.
I can level that back to you.
Ah the 'nice story' dismissal.
It is what it really is and until you can back that up as fact then you are reading a story based on what you're told as factual and nothing more.
You're more than welcome to reel it off to me and claim it as fact but you also should understand that I will not take it as that.
There is a lot of evidence for historic much higher meteor activity (including a rather large one here 65 million years ago) but if you decide to dismiss it all then you are left with no evidence.
There is no evidence of 65 million-year-old meteor strikes, only what you're told by the storytellers who claim it without evidence.
That is one of the problems, you dismiss all evidence you don't understand or doesn't fit your fantasy, so can never see the side of reality.
I dismiss lots of stuff and I accept lots of stuff. I believe certain stuff, so it's not all one way, it just seems it because you think not believing in a globe and the stuff that supposedly offers some kind of fact is me not believing anything or accepting anything, which is wide of the mark.
No a meteor strike would not have to be at skimming angle. Look at the scale image posted yesterday. Can you really not see all the possible angles the moon can be hit from?
The word angle tells you enough.
It is your lack of comprehension of the scale of the world and beyond that is letting you down.
Nahhh, not at all.
The earth has weather systems and is volcanically active, as well as being covered in tidal oceans. While some craters exist, this constant erosion plus build up of soil matter, etc constantly changes and hides older crater impacts. Some have been discovered using ground penetrating radar. Such findings are published regularly.
There are plenty of indentations in the ground but there's no factual evidence for them being space meteors.
As I said earlier, the moon is still being hit and with it being a popular imaging target for amateur astronomers, it is not uncommon for an average person with a few hundred quid of kit to image it. Do the googling I have said and you will find lots of accounts.
So you regularly see meteors hit the moon, right?
Or do amateurs supposedly do?
Or is it the big wigs that only see them and tell us about it?

You will probably ignore this question, but have you ever pointed a telescope to the moon and studied it's craters, mapping them out and checking against guides? How would you know if new craters have appeared or not? Is this an area you have studied?
I haven't fully studied the image, have you?
Yes you do. Your whole lemon squeezer model of the earth and your 8" per mile squared (wrong!) rule is from there, yet you parrot it all the time.
From where?
The 8 inches per mile squared is from your global setup that you believe in.
The issue is you dismiss all evidence for anything else then cling to this for which you openly admit there is no evidence.
I don't dismiss all evidence for anything else. I look at the evidence and decide if it pertains to fact and I conclude from there what the evidence shows.
The global evidence does not stand up to reality. It simply does not.
What I believe Earth to be is like I always say. It's my theory or musing or whatever people want to think. I do not offer it as fact but plenty of people claim that I do. I can't help with that and it's up to people to decide what they wish. It's not my issue.
It is all an unworkable fantasy and is why you come unstuck on it every time people quiz you for details.
I believe it is workable. What you think of it is irrelevant to me but relevant to you.
You are unfortunately trapped in a paranoid fantasy, which is a shame.
Maybe, maybe not.
I think that can be aimed at anyone who follows a path that offers no provable facts to another path seeker.
The world and beyond is a wonderful place with lots of fascinating things to investigate and learn about, but you sit entirely trapped in your own thoughts making up an alternate reality.
Actually, the Earth may well be much much more than we're told. It may be a paradise away from our physical presence and prying eyes.
Get told it's a ball and you kill off an exploration of the mind for it because we're told it's all mapped and we require passes to visit areas and are forbidden to travel aside from that to other land areas without a pass.
I think there's a lot more to this Earth and many Earths like it.
On the point of experiments, are you willing to give details of method, equipment and results?
Only what you get as I go along and you can basically take from it whatever you want to.
You say "oh people can get simple things and experiment themselves". You ask for extreme detail of experiments, results and calculations from others, yet have only described one single experiment you have done (spirit level in a bath). I can only conclude from that, that your experiments are flawed and you know it, or you lie.
You feel free to decide anything you wish and I'm absolutely ok with it.
Are you willing to give more details as we approach page 700 of you insisting that the rest of humanity is wrong and you have experiments to prove it?
I'll offer what I think is worth offering as and when.
You are not compelled to take part in discussions if this is not acceptable.
Wrong, it is proven reality with overwhelming evidence. The problem is you dismiss it all in your paranoid fantasy. It is not healthy.
I could offer the very same back to you. This goes nowhere to be fair.
I’m particularly impressed that you can see when the multi-million dollar spacecraft hits the dome in this image. All that money for nothing.

Logon or register to see this image
A small arc to the drink but told to all that it's going to space.
I can't help people with that. It's up to each individual to see it for what it is or what they're told.
Page 360, myself and @Kevj Have both showed you quotes where you have said you have done experiments with superfluids.
It's here right in front of you
Must be digging out his years of research......
Getting his spirit level oot
You seem reluctant to point me to the page. Why?
 
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