Pride comes before a fall


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I also listened to the podcast in question, yesterday and wondered just what the target for this season was, from what i have heard on both RR and WMS, and what i have seen so far, i am thinking that promotion isn't the target this season.
 
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It concerned me when he said he refuses to pay appearance or goal bonus because he isn't paying them twice....

Sorry but that's just part of football. Especially in the tip 2 divisions. Is he out of touch or just daft?
 
The not throwing money around is not the only concern, its some of the inconsistencies in the information coming out of the club and how some of the things just don’t add up. I genuinely 100% hope the club has now reached rock bottom and the only way is up with the new ownership but the early signs are not great.

not all that sure if inconsistencies or wrong terms/words used, ie: this 'biggest budget' quote which SD used a few times...did he mean transfer budget or overall budget or 'seeing as most hardly spent in this division, ours will be bigger'.

i like the honesty and the constant updates from 'the horses mouth' but i am starting to think the club need to choose carefully what info they give out and how they put it out there, a few quotes can and have been taken in different ways leading to the differences of opinions and as you rightly say, we all hope we have hit the bottom and are on the way to bouncing back up, i just think that maybe i have not set my hopes too high as i can see that a hell of a job needs doing and i do not think there is any quick fix.
 
It concerned me when he said he refuses to pay appearance or goal bonus because he isn't paying them twice....

Sorry but that's just part of football. Especially in the tip 2 divisions. Is he out of touch or just daft?
I think,in the context of the numbers he was using,he meant that if it's a fair wage for this level,then they shouldn't be expecting to end up with double a fair wage for this level.

He also implied heavily that these unexounexp costs weren't just taken off Short's word,but independent advice too . So for people to say the due diligence wasn't sufficient seems disingenuous to me and again,taking part of what he said as the entirety.
 
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When I was younger with more time on my hands, I liked playing Championship Manager. I always played as Carlisle, never Sunderland, too much pressure. Building a team up with free transfers and taking them to the top of the Premier. Fairy tale stuff.
I'm starting to get the feeling that the new owners may view us in a similar fashion.
 
Decided to listen to the latest RR “love in” Podcast with SD last night. I was initially left feeling enthused and positive by what SD had to say and whilst I think he has genuine intentions but on reflection I can’t help but question a couple of things he said.

1) when asked about taking out short term loans instead of asking Juan Sartori to help out he rambled on about being to proud to go cap in hand to Juan at this stage. Well that’s all well and good but surely the well being and rebuilding of the club should come before SD saving face over what he is now claiming to be a “rushed” uncomprehensive due diligence?

2) SD said the reason the loans might be needed is partly due to the Alvarez court case. He went on to claim that Ellis Short had advised there was “no chance” we would lose the case so nothing to worry about. I’m sorry but surely with the money involved in losing the case any person would and should do more than take somebody else’s opinion prior to committing to buy the club, anything else is complete naivety at best. Slightly concerning considering he is trying to rebuild our train wreck of a club!

3) When talking about transfers and Juan Sartori SD stated that if he asked Juan for the funds to buy Jack Marriot he would probably stump up the cash but that’s not how he wants to do things. Surely the absolute priority at this stage of proceedings has to be to get this club promoted at the first time of asking? You don’t buy an investment property at a song that needs renovating and try to fix it up on a shoestring over a long period while your mate who invested with you has the funds to turn the property around quickly? This club in the Premiership is worth £150 - 200 million, £5 - 10 million spent now to guarantee a swift return to the Championship is surely money well spent, what is SD attempting to prove and why by adopting his approach?

Before people start banging on with “we spent money before look where it got us” spending money didnt get us to the 3rd division poor management did.

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we would rather be self sufficient than reliant on a billionaire” I couldn’t give a damn how we achieve it I just want to see a team capable of challenging in the top half of the Premier League which is where this club should be!
You not impressed with what he's done in his short spell at the club?
 
Decided to listen to the latest RR “love in” Podcast with SD last night. I was initially left feeling enthused and positive by what SD had to say and whilst I think he has genuine intentions but on reflection I can’t help but question a couple of things he said.

1) when asked about taking out short term loans instead of asking Juan Sartori to help out he rambled on about being to proud to go cap in hand to Juan at this stage. Well that’s all well and good but surely the well being and rebuilding of the club should come before SD saving face over what he is now claiming to be a “rushed” uncomprehensive due diligence?

2) SD said the reason the loans might be needed is partly due to the Alvarez court case. He went on to claim that Ellis Short had advised there was “no chance” we would lose the case so nothing to worry about. I’m sorry but surely with the money involved in losing the case any person would and should do more than take somebody else’s opinion prior to committing to buy the club, anything else is complete naivety at best. Slightly concerning considering he is trying to rebuild our train wreck of a club!

3) When talking about transfers and Juan Sartori SD stated that if he asked Juan for the funds to buy Jack Marriot he would probably stump up the cash but that’s not how he wants to do things. Surely the absolute priority at this stage of proceedings has to be to get this club promoted at the first time of asking? You don’t buy an investment property at a song that needs renovating and try to fix it up on a shoestring over a long period while your mate who invested with you has the funds to turn the property around quickly? This club in the Premiership is worth £150 - 200 million, £5 - 10 million spent now to guarantee a swift return to the Championship is surely money well spent, what is SD attempting to prove and why by adopting his approach?

Before people start banging on with “we spent money before look where it got us” spending money didnt get us to the 3rd division poor management did.

and

we would rather be self sufficient than reliant on a billionaire” I couldn’t give a damn how we achieve it I just want to see a team capable of challenging in the top half of the Premier League which is where this club should be!
the championship and league one is littered with 'premier league' clubs who have gone through owner after owner who did exactly what you are suggesting tbf- if the owners are expecting quick results they soon tend to lose interest.
 
When I was younger with more time on my hands, I liked playing Championship Manager. I always played as Carlisle, never Sunderland, too much pressure. Building a team up with free transfers and taking them to the top of the Premier. Fairy tale stuff.
I'm starting to get the feeling that the new owners may view us in a similar fashion.
Proper made me chuckle that. :lol:
 
5 pages in and no-one has questioned "Pride comes before a fall". Do standards no longer mean anything? Proverbs 16:18 - "pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall".

Been annoying me for days that.
 
Decided to listen to the latest RR “love in” Podcast with SD last night. I was initially left feeling enthused and positive by what SD had to say and whilst I think he has genuine intentions but on reflection I can’t help but question a couple of things he said.

1) when asked about taking out short term loans instead of asking Juan Sartori to help out he rambled on about being to proud to go cap in hand to Juan at this stage. Well that’s all well and good but surely the well being and rebuilding of the club should come before SD saving face over what he is now claiming to be a “rushed” uncomprehensive due diligence?

2) SD said the reason the loans might be needed is partly due to the Alvarez court case. He went on to claim that Ellis Short had advised there was “no chance” we would lose the case so nothing to worry about. I’m sorry but surely with the money involved in losing the case any person would and should do more than take somebody else’s opinion prior to committing to buy the club, anything else is complete naivety at best. Slightly concerning considering he is trying to rebuild our train wreck of a club!

3) When talking about transfers and Juan Sartori SD stated that if he asked Juan for the funds to buy Jack Marriot he would probably stump up the cash but that’s not how he wants to do things. Surely the absolute priority at this stage of proceedings has to be to get this club promoted at the first time of asking? You don’t buy an investment property at a song that needs renovating and try to fix it up on a shoestring over a long period while your mate who invested with you has the funds to turn the property around quickly? This club in the Premiership is worth £150 - 200 million, £5 - 10 million spent now to guarantee a swift return to the Championship is surely money well spent, what is SD attempting to prove and why by adopting his approach?

Before people start banging on with “we spent money before look where it got us” spending money didnt get us to the 3rd division poor management did.

and

we would rather be self sufficient than reliant on a billionaire” I couldn’t give a damn how we achieve it I just want to see a team capable of challenging in the top half of the Premier League which is where this club should be!

Fookin Ted Striker.....
 
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