Pride comes before a fall


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Decided to listen to the latest RR “love in” Podcast with SD last night. I was initially left feeling enthused and positive by what SD had to say and whilst I think he has genuine intentions but on reflection I can’t help but question a couple of things he said.

1) when asked about taking out short term loans instead of asking Juan Sartori to help out he rambled on about being to proud to go cap in hand to Juan at this stage. Well that’s all well and good but surely the well being and rebuilding of the club should come before SD saving face over what he is now claiming to be a “rushed” uncomprehensive due diligence?

2) SD said the reason the loans might be needed is partly due to the Alvarez court case. He went on to claim that Ellis Short had advised there was “no chance” we would lose the case so nothing to worry about. I’m sorry but surely with the money involved in losing the case any person would and should do more than take somebody else’s opinion prior to committing to buy the club, anything else is complete naivety at best. Slightly concerning considering he is trying to rebuild our train wreck of a club!

3) When talking about transfers and Juan Sartori SD stated that if he asked Juan for the funds to buy Jack Marriot he would probably stump up the cash but that’s not how he wants to do things. Surely the absolute priority at this stage of proceedings has to be to get this club promoted at the first time of asking? You don’t buy an investment property at a song that needs renovating and try to fix it up on a shoestring over a long period while your mate who invested with you has the funds to turn the property around quickly? This club in the Premiership is worth £150 - 200 million, £5 - 10 million spent now to guarantee a swift return to the Championship is surely money well spent, what is SD attempting to prove and why by adopting his approach?

Before people start banging on with “we spent money before look where it got us” spending money didnt get us to the 3rd division poor management did.

and

we would rather be self sufficient than reliant on a billionaire” I couldn’t give a damn how we achieve it I just want to see a team capable of challenging in the top half of the Premier League which is where this club should be!

Ive often thought that the 'rotten core' is some of the fans - now I know it
 
Going bust, didn’t SD say on the podcast the ground has been valued at £90 million so no problem getting loans against the ground, it’s not like we are going to blow £50 million to get out of league 1 but we shouldn’t be wasting time trying to outbid Portsmouth etc over £200k.
I must have missed the bit where he values the ground at 90 million . That seems grossly over priced. What use is it to anyone else.
 
Decided to listen to the latest RR “love in” Podcast with SD last night. I was initially left feeling enthused and positive by what SD had to say and whilst I think he has genuine intentions but on reflection I can’t help but question a couple of things he said.

1) when asked about taking out short term loans instead of asking Juan Sartori to help out he rambled on about being to proud to go cap in hand to Juan at this stage. Well that’s all well and good but surely the well being and rebuilding of the club should come before SD saving face over what he is now claiming to be a “rushed” uncomprehensive due diligence?

2) SD said the reason the loans might be needed is partly due to the Alvarez court case. He went on to claim that Ellis Short had advised there was “no chance” we would lose the case so nothing to worry about. I’m sorry but surely with the money involved in losing the case any person would and should do more than take somebody else’s opinion prior to committing to buy the club, anything else is complete naivety at best. Slightly concerning considering he is trying to rebuild our train wreck of a club!

3) When talking about transfers and Juan Sartori SD stated that if he asked Juan for the funds to buy Jack Marriot he would probably stump up the cash but that’s not how he wants to do things. Surely the absolute priority at this stage of proceedings has to be to get this club promoted at the first time of asking? You don’t buy an investment property at a song that needs renovating and try to fix it up on a shoestring over a long period while your mate who invested with you has the funds to turn the property around quickly? This club in the Premiership is worth £150 - 200 million, £5 - 10 million spent now to guarantee a swift return to the Championship is surely money well spent, what is SD attempting to prove and why by adopting his approach?

Before people start banging on with “we spent money before look where it got us” spending money didnt get us to the 3rd division poor management did.

and

we would rather be self sufficient than reliant on a billionaire” I couldn’t give a damn how we achieve it I just want to see a team capable of challenging in the top half of the Premier League which is where this club should be!

This definately needed posting.







Again
 
Just a quick question mate, this £10million that you want Sartori to hoy in, you do realise that means the club would owe him £10million?

Or is he just to write it off as a generous donation?
You do realise short term loans need paying back with much higher interest rates than if you got the money from Sartori?

Meanwhile we interrupt this programme to look at how the others live and survive. Tonight we turn our attention to a once great club that graced footballs top flight. This is Swindon Town a club in The heart of Wiltshire and in decline.
Relying once again on one year deals and free transfers........
If Swindon suddenly got a new owner with a billionaire investor in the background would you be happy if they continued with free transfers and 1 year deals?
 
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operty around quickly? This club in the Premiership is worth £150 - 200 million, £5 - 10 million spent now to guarantee a swift return to the Championship is surely money well spent, what is SD attempting to prove and why by adopting his approach?

Before people start banging on with “we spent money before look where it got us” spending money didnt get us to the 3rd division poor management did.

and

we would rather be self sufficient than reliant on a billionaire” I couldn’t give a damn how we achieve it I just want to see a team capable of challenging in the top half of the Premier League which is where this club should be!

That will never happen.
 
Decided to listen to the latest RR “love in” Podcast with SD last night. I was initially left feeling enthused and positive by what SD had to say and whilst I think he has genuine intentions but on reflection I can’t help but question a couple of things he said.

1) when asked about taking out short term loans instead of asking Juan Sartori to help out he rambled on about being to proud to go cap in hand to Juan at this stage. Well that’s all well and good but surely the well being and rebuilding of the club should come before SD saving face over what he is now claiming to be a “rushed” uncomprehensive due diligence?

2) SD said the reason the loans might be needed is partly due to the Alvarez court case. He went on to claim that Ellis Short had advised there was “no chance” we would lose the case so nothing to worry about. I’m sorry but surely with the money involved in losing the case any person would and should do more than take somebody else’s opinion prior to committing to buy the club, anything else is complete naivety at best. Slightly concerning considering he is trying to rebuild our train wreck of a club!

3) When talking about transfers and Juan Sartori SD stated that if he asked Juan for the funds to buy Jack Marriot he would probably stump up the cash but that’s not how he wants to do things. Surely the absolute priority at this stage of proceedings has to be to get this club promoted at the first time of asking? You don’t buy an investment property at a song that needs renovating and try to fix it up on a shoestring over a long period while your mate who invested with you has the funds to turn the property around quickly? This club in the Premiership is worth £150 - 200 million, £5 - 10 million spent now to guarantee a swift return to the Championship is surely money well spent, what is SD attempting to prove and why by adopting his approach?

Before people start banging on with “we spent money before look where it got us” spending money didnt get us to the 3rd division poor management did.

and

we would rather be self sufficient than reliant on a billionaire” I couldn’t give a damn how we achieve it I just want to see a team capable of challenging in the top half of the Premier League which is where this club should be!

I think our priority should be the long term financial future of the club being secure. As I said elsewhere Shrewsbury finished 3rd in this league with 6000 average attendance and a sub 4m wage bill. If we can’t be self financing and successful in this league we should give up.

People take for granted Ellis doing right thing at the end. With a more sinister owner we were close to oblivion. A mere 3moths later people are already advocating living beyond our means.
 
You do realise short term loans need paying back with much higher interest rates than if you got the money from Sartori?


If Swindon suddenly got a new owner with a billionaire investor in the background would you be happy if they continued with free transfers and 1 year deals?

We had a super rich owner only a few years back and we managed to fuck that up.
 
When you unpick through the rambling dialogue there are some real concerns with new regime and how they do business. I was gobsmacked by his remarks about the Aleverez deal and not doing due diligence

The huge concern is the transfer activity thus far

I took his comments to mean ES would be in breach in the reps and warranties of the S &P agreeement. I took his statement to mean Ellis will be putting his hand in his pocket. Remember SD still owes Ellis £20m plus - adequate to claw back any unpleasant surprises if contracted
 
This daft twat Papa Smurf is a mag, needs a ban.

I was banned for calling someone an arsehole, confirmed by a Mod ....

.... and the truth is he was an arsehole who seems to have been life banned :lol:
 
Going bust, didn’t SD say on the podcast the ground has been valued at £90 million so no problem getting loans against the ground, it’s not like we are going to blow £50 million to get out of league 1 but we shouldn’t be wasting time trying to outbid Portsmouth etc over £200k.

so start the cycle again. Borrow against our assets to live beyond our means?

The first sign of madness do the same things again and expect different conclusion
 
When you unpick through the rambling dialogue there are some real concerns with new regime and how they do business. I was gobsmacked by his remarks about the Aleverez deal and not doing due diligence

The huge concern is the transfer activity thus far

When he was speaking about the Alvarez deals and other things coming out of the woodwork which he wouldn't expand on which have cost more, I got a bit of a sinking feeling. Have they really missed these things or are they excuses for a lack of spending?
 
Decided to listen to the latest RR “love in” Podcast with SD last night. I was initially left feeling enthused and positive by what SD had to say and whilst I think he has genuine intentions but on reflection I can’t help but question a couple of things he said.

1) when asked about taking out short term loans instead of asking Juan Sartori to help out he rambled on about being to proud to go cap in hand to Juan at this stage. Well that’s all well and good but surely the well being and rebuilding of the club should come before SD saving face over what he is now claiming to be a “rushed” uncomprehensive due diligence?

2) SD said the reason the loans might be needed is partly due to the Alvarez court case. He went on to claim that Ellis Short had advised there was “no chance” we would lose the case so nothing to worry about. I’m sorry but surely with the money involved in losing the case any person would and should do more than take somebody else’s opinion prior to committing to buy the club, anything else is complete naivety at best. Slightly concerning considering he is trying to rebuild our train wreck of a club!

3) When talking about transfers and Juan Sartori SD stated that if he asked Juan for the funds to buy Jack Marriot he would probably stump up the cash but that’s not how he wants to do things. Surely the absolute priority at this stage of proceedings has to be to get this club promoted at the first time of asking? You don’t buy an investment property at a song that needs renovating and try to fix it up on a shoestring over a long period while your mate who invested with you has the funds to turn the property around quickly? This club in the Premiership is worth £150 - 200 million, £5 - 10 million spent now to guarantee a swift return to the Championship is surely money well spent, what is SD attempting to prove and why by adopting his approach?

Before people start banging on with “we spent money before look where it got us” spending money didnt get us to the 3rd division poor management did.

and

we would rather be self sufficient than reliant on a billionaire” I couldn’t give a damn how we achieve it I just want to see a team capable of challenging in the top half of the Premier League which is where this club should be!
Utter bull.
 
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