Poyet Pleads For New Personnel


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And yet him and Pantilimon have been an absolute distance better than any of Poyet's signings. By a gulf.

Well it's just as well it's Congleton's job and not Gus' then isn't it?

Gus' signings have cost an average of £1m each to buy. They are cheap filler/long shots that is all.

If one on them comes good then great, but it's Congleton's job to find and assemble the first team squad (including loans).

Are you happy with the job he has done?
 
I'll try to explain.
Gus is head coach. We are 1 point from a relegation berth after 15 months of his tenure. Is Gus not to blame at all for our current situation?
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You said that Gus has been "polishing turds for most of his 15 months here". Does that mean you think Gus has got crap players and is over-performing with them because of his coaching?

No - we have about 6 decent Prem players. The rest of them are really Champo standard and that is what Gus has been struggling to get up to speed with (literally most of the time given how slow some of them are). But even 6 Prem standard players can be enough most years to avoid the drop. I think Gus has done OK but not exceptionally. It's not hard to understand is it?
 
No - we have about 6 decent Prem players. The rest of them are really Champo standard and that is what Gus has been struggling to get up to speed with (literally most of the time given how slow some of them are). It's not hard to understand is it?


Ok I now understand your answer to my first question, you think that Gus is not to blame at all for our current position. It is just the quality of the players.

What about my second question?
 
Ok I now understand your answer to my first question, you think that Gus is not to blame at all for our current position. It is just the quality of the players.

What about my second question?
Is English your first language marra?
Gus is doing OK but not great.
I don't say he carries no blame but the majority must fall on the DoFs. Do you think De Fanti and Congleton bear no blame at all?
Anyway precise apportionment of blame is irrelevant to me. I just want to see it fixed. .
 
Well it's just as well it's Congleton's job and not Gus' then isn't it?

Gus' signings have cost an average of £1m each to buy. They are cheap filler/long shots that is all.

If one on them comes good then great, but it's Congleton's job to find and assemble the first team squad (including loans).

Are you happy with the job he has done?

No. But I'm not deflecting blame from Poyet or Congerton. They are both liable, and to suggest that our transfers are 'Congerton's fault' and that Poyet is an innocent bystander is ludicrous. Poyet has come out and hung his hat on several signings as 'his', how many were successes?

We were almost going to pay 14m on bloody Borini off the back of Poyet's obsession, look how that turned out. Liverpool will sell him either in this window or the next, and I would virtually guarantee you they won't receive a penny over 8m.

Poyet thus far has a poor record on transfers, a very ordinary record in league form, and has shown a stubbornness to persevere with a system that doesn't work, with players out of position, and he continues to blame the club, the 'recruitment' team (which is partly him anyway), fan expectations, his current players, the Countess of Wessex and Timmy Mallet's hat for everything that goes wrong. The 'It wasn't me' attitude is ridiculous - It's not his fault, he just signs half of the players, pick the team and selects the formation :)

He got lucky last season, he had literally no choice but play Wickham, he showed some desire to prove himself and we got a ridiculous set of results which was 200 million to 1. Gus had ran out of ideas a long time before the Man City catalyst, and we were drifting towards certain relegation.
 
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Nowt wrong there.

He's saying you can set up against a team but you can't know what instructions they've been given. Since he can't stop the game and have a chat, he expects the supposedly professional players to be able to see what's going on and adjust accordingly without having to be told at half-time.
I can see that being frustrating as fuck like.
 
I can't believe I have read through 11 pages and nobody has pointed out that he is completely wrong about us finishing in the top ten once in the last 15 years.

We finished 7th in 2000 and 2001, so that makes it three times.

It doesn't alter the point he's making but if he's going to point out how shit we have been he should at least not erase our best two seasons in that 15 years.

I'm a big supporter of Gus but I hate it when he makes these sort of statements to the press. He might be right and he might have good reason to make them when he is pushing to bring better players in this window but I don't like it.
 
He hasn't said anything there that I don't agree with so I can't be critical. Maybe it's not the best idea for the manager to come out and say it cause it causes split debate like this but what he's said is true. My only problem with Poyet is the lack of attacking ambition we show, the Liverpool game was absolutely painful and the worst home game since O Neill. I really hope we stick with him tho, think he's going to be good for us in the long term and after 3 or 4 transfer windows I expect us to be playing good football when this lot seem to struggle.
 
He hasn't said anything there that I don't agree with so I can't be critical. Maybe it's not the best idea for the manager to come out and say it cause it causes split debate like this but what he's said is true. My only problem with Poyet is the lack of attacking ambition we show, the Liverpool game was absolutely painful and the worst home game since O Neill. I really hope we stick with him tho, think he's going to be good for us in the long term and after 3 or 4 transfer windows I expect us to be playing good football when this lot seem to struggle.
I honestly think a lot of this 'lack of attacking ambition' is a bit of a fallacy. I think we do get forwards plenty, and get in some dangerous positions. The problem is we've got no strikers pulling their weight, and they're as static as fuck. So the midfield is constantly slowing play because there are no runs being made, or pushing up themselves in attack and being caught on the break. We're in desperate need of a clever, mobile striker - he doesn't even have to be prolific. I think if we get someone like that in, the goals will come.
 
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I honestly think a lot of this 'lack of attacking ambition' is a bit of a fallacy. I think we do get forwards plenty, and get in some dangerous positions. The problem is we've got no strikers pulling their weight, and they're as static as fuck. So the midfield is constantly slowing play because there are no runs being made, or pushing up themselves in attack and being caught on the break. We're in desperate need of a clever, mobile striker - he doesn't even have to be prolific, I think if we get someone like that in, the goals will come.
Possibly, I can't disagree with any of your post. I just think were so slow on the ball, the counter attack at st James was a joy to see and I wish we could do it more often. My brother often says one of the best chances to score in football is when you're defending a corner and I think he's spot on. If you can break with pace and ambition you can find yourself 4 or 5 onto 3. We just don't see it enough and by the time we get to other teams halfs they've got 11 men back.
 
Always thought he was weak when he gave up so quickly last season. Hoped it was just a learning phase.

IF..a big IF..he did say that then he should just fuck off.
 
Coates, Scocco, Bridcutt, Vergini, Ustari, Buckley were all players Poyet knew very well. I think it's safe to say he had a hand big hand in all of those deals...

“We had to look to people we knew. We had a bit of a relationship with Marcos (Alonso) with the Spanish and we wanted him the year before at Brighton when he went to Fiorentina.

I knew Liam (Bridcutt), I knew Oscar (Ustari) from Argentina and Nacho Scocco as well.

“Every team in South America wanted Scocco but it did not work for whatever reason here. - http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/01/01/sunderland-flop-ignacio-scocco-bemuses-boss-gus-poyet/


On Buckley -
Poyet said: “I am so pleased that he had a very good first half because now everybody knows why I was so consistent in asking the club to bring him.

It took us seven and a half months, but we got him here and now everybody knows why – because he is electric, because he’s direct, because he brings the stands into a different feeling, the atmosphere. - http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/gus-now-that-s-why-i-pursued-buckley-1-6803256

On Coates -
But Poyet rates Coates highly after recommending the centre-half to Liverpool in the summer of 2011, when he was then in charge at Brighton.

Poyet told the Echo: “Sebber is my first Uruguayan here. I had one (on-loan Stoke midfielder, Diego Arismendi) for a month at Brighton.

“I know Sebber, I recommended him to England in the beginning when he came to Liverpool.

“He was a 6ft 3in centre-half, calm on the ball and with aggression.

“He’s a good player." - http://www.newsguardian.co.uk/sport...ge-sunderland-s-defensive-duo-poyet-1-6842764


So we can remove the myth of this conveyor belt of random signings by Congerton, with Gus having no input. It's a cop out, and a shit one, and it's utter bollocks.

Great post.

.....is he aware of some of the shit he's signed?

Nearly mate, it's all not some

What an inspiration this bloke is when things aren't going well. :rolleyes:
This is the cardinal sin for me. A manager, in any walk of life, needs to make his people feel good about themselves, believe they can achieve things. Gus is doing the opposite - do not underestimate the damage this will do to confidence and performance levels!

Disastrous from Poyet, rank bad leadership
 
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He's right.

The people before him were given millions to spend on the players they wanted.

He's also picking up the pieces of those said managers squandering a large bulk of it on poor players.

He knew what he was getting when he came and then signed a new contract. He has also added poor players to the squad.
 
Do some people still actually believe he is not responsible for or have involvement in transfers?

What you have to understand is that, whilst he is safc head coach & is trying to get best for team, he's also conscious that he needs to protect his own reputation as his long term aim is to move on from here. Dont think for a second that in these little outbursts, that isnt in his mind (hence the blame game)
 
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