Players Are Wankers


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A new manager comes in and at the start he is in a very strong position. He has the power in the dressing room. Suddenly players who have been under performing start to bust a gut and the results improve overnight. The new bloke is hailed as a hero.

Of course things at some point go wrong - such is life - and the manager isn't quite as firm a favorite.

As time goes on the performance of many players starts to falter and there's not much the manager can really do. He pushes them, then challenges them but they know that he is not in anywhere near as strong a position. By the time he gets round to giving them a public blast to start performing they know he is a dead man walking. That it is just a matter of time because these days the owner, media and fans wont risk wait for any improvment cos the money in the Premier League is so high. And after all he cant get rid of all of them.

He is fired and a new bloke comes in. It starts all over again

But how many players would you say have 'faltered' in their performances under Poyet?

If you look at the team that started on Saturday:

Pantilimon's performances have been very good
Jones hasn't faltered - he's never been that good and was injury prone before we brought him in
Vergini has always been completely unsuited to football in this country
O'Shea has been one of our best players this season and hasn't faltered at all
Coates has never looked good enough and was injury prone before we brought him in
van Aanholt is a bit inconsistent, but has mainly been injured and I don't think his performances have faltered
Larsson has been our best player this season
Bridcutt has never looked good at this level
Rodwell hasn't made any progress, but I wouldn't say his performances have got any worse
Fletcher has deteriorated massively since he got here and looks like he couldn't give a toss
Defoe has played two games for us

Tbh, I don't think there are many players who have 'faltered' in their individual performances. We have a bad mix of poor signings and poor selections.

I don't see anyone beyond Fletcher and Wickham who you could really question when it comes to attitude.
 
I've been as critical as anyone on here at times about the players being too quick to throw in the towel in at various points in the last few years but Southampton aside, when Mannone said publicly that he stopped trying, I can't really fault them for effort this season.

Our biggest problem this season has been Poyet's laughably defensive tactics. At least last season he tried to set us up to have a go at teams, even though we often weren't good enough to do so but we've been far too defensive in most games this season.

Laughably defensive, eh? So all those clean sheets count for nothing? It's clear that we are not picking up more wins because of our poor attacking play, defensively we have been solid, calling it laughable is pretty harsh. That's been our strength (see: only team to keep out Chelsea, clean sheet at Anfield and several more clean sheets away from home). It's the lack of a goalscorer that's holding us back. We need Defoe to be the answer to that, I have no criticisms of how we defend generally apart from a misgiving about how deep we tend to drop back. It's not hard to see that we need to attack in a more effective way, but saying that the defensive tactics have got us nothing is silly. We are out of the bottom 3 largely because of our good defence.
 
A new manager comes in and at the start he is in a very strong position. He has the power in the dressing room. Suddenly players who have been under performing start to bust a gut and the results improve overnight. The new bloke is hailed as a hero.

Of course things at some point go wrong - such is life - and the manager isn't quite as firm a favorite.

As time goes on the performance of many players starts to falter and there's not much the manager can really do. He pushes them, then challenges them but they know that he is not in anywhere near as strong a position. By the time he gets round to giving them a public blast to start performing they know he is a dead man walking. That it is just a matter of time because these days the owner, media and fans wont risk wait for any improvment cos the money in the Premier League is so high. And after all he cant get rid of all of them.

He is fired and a new bloke comes in. It starts all over again
Said this a lot on here lately. Players get away with murder when things aren't going right. It's ALL the managers fault apparently. While all these managers come and go there's one common denominator, by and large it's the same players.
 
Said this a lot on here lately. Players get away with murder when things aren't going right. It's ALL the managers fault apparently. While all these managers come and go there's one common denominator, by and large it's the same players.
and those players are often our better players. The turnover of shit summer on summer doesn;t help.
 
Which players man!

No point generalising, tell us which ones you think haven't been playing well enough and why.
 
But how many players would you say have 'faltered' in their performances under Poyet?

If you look at the team that started on Saturday:

Pantilimon's performances have been very good
Jones hasn't faltered - he's never been that good and was injury prone before we brought him in
Vergini has always been completely unsuited to football in this country
O'Shea has been one of our best players this season and hasn't faltered at all
Coates has never looked good enough and was injury prone before we brought him in
van Aanholt is a bit inconsistent, but has mainly been injured and I don't think his performances have faltered
Larsson has been our best player this season
Bridcutt has never looked good at this level
Rodwell hasn't made any progress, but I wouldn't say his performances have got any worse
Fletcher has deteriorated massively since he got here and looks like he couldn't give a toss
Defoe has played two games for us

Tbh, I don't think there are many players who have 'faltered' in their individual performances. We have a bad mix of poor signings and poor selections.

I don't see anyone beyond Fletcher and Wickham who you could really question when it comes to attitude.

If our strikers had been anywhere close to decent then we'd be about eleventh in the table right now.

If your strikers fail to bury the chances they get then you are in trouble. It's that simple.
 
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Did he?

Also which players did PDC see through? It seems it was only Bardsley and Cattermole who he tried to push out. He was 100% wrong about Cattermole.
Oh Sorry!! it's the managers fault, yet again, how many is that now? Cattermole's a good player when he knuckles down and does the business, unfortunately he has to many games when he's a half yard behind the play, running around flustered because his body won't do what his mind want's it to, then he throws himself into a dodgy tackle and gets a card, or fucks his sell by over stretching, why do so many of our players look like they've been out on the piss for a week?
 
Disagree.

We don't create enough for the strikers, thats the biggest problem.

I'd like you to go back and watch the chance Fletcher missed against Spurs and the one Altidore missed against West Ham and come back and reassess your point of view.
 
Doubt we will see a manager like Fergie again. He was a throwback to a previous era where managers such as Shankley were obviously in control long term and the players knew it. Even struggling teams would keep managers a lot longer and the players knew who was boss. These days Fergiw would have been gone after his first season just like Moyes was - too much at stake and the players know it
 
Oh Sorry!! it's the managers fault, yet again, how many is that now? Cattermole's a good player when he knuckles down and does the business, unfortunately he has to many games when he's a half yard behind the play, running around flustered because his body won't do what his mind want's it to, then he throws himself into a dodgy tackle and gets a card, or fucks his sell by over stretching, why do so many of our players look like they've been out on the piss for a week?
Howld on old bean, I asked which players he seen through. He praised them for being professional in the pre season he was here.

Cattermole hasn't been that player you describe for a while.
 
Howld on old bean, I asked which players he seen through. He praised them for being professional in the pre season he was here.

Cattermole hasn't been that player you describe for a while.
What's said and what actually happens are two different things, every manager we've had has praised the players when they first take control, takes a little while for the penny to drop, usually when the players think it's safe to revert back to their comfort zone, where is Cats now and why?
 
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Did he?

Also which players did PDC see through? It seems it was only Bardsley and Cattermole who he tried to push out. He was 100% wrong about Cattermole.
Larsson and O'Shea were the other two.

Over the years we've weakened the squad. We've lost Henderson, Bent, Gyan, Sessegnon, Mignolet and haven't reinvested the money wisely.

Poyet took over a poor weakened squad. He has to strip the squad and build again. It's going to take a season or two.
 
:lol: This awld chestnut.

Paolo was right
He was spot on.


Quinn was happy when everybody was happy, Keane seen through all the old boys club the same as PDC did.

Absolute nonsense.

He was completely wrong about Cattermole.

Whey exactly man.

Some of the players that stood accused of this, last season especially, have been by far and away our best performers under Poyet, and they continue to be.

It was not the fault of John O'Shea, Seb Larsson, Lee Cattermole or Adam Johnson that we couldn't win on Saturday. We did not fail to win that game for lack of effort.

Bardo was one of the worst for it and he's gone.
 
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