Play off games v Average attendances


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Your argument disproves your pathetic theory.

Leeds only had an average of 26000 but got ten thousand more at a playoff game. How the f*ck does that make them less fickle than our magnificent support, you great steaming fanny?

Their fans stayed away in droves until they thought they might have something to cheer about. Now that's what I call fickle.

Our fans have been superb but have understandably lost faith over the past couple of months, where our team has pretty much capitulated.

Nobody can criticise our long suffering fans and yet you do, at every opportunity. :oops::oops:

Not really, they averaged 26,000 and we have averaged 32,0000...........For big games they could get 10,000 more than their average just like we did against Bradford and Pompey at home.

Their support in the top division was 36,000 and ours was well into the 40,000s.

Never once criticised our support for their numbers before (why would anybody)....Have criticised them for the propensity to turn on the team/manager/owner when things get tough but are you suggesting that we can question the performance of everybody at the club but the fans?
 
Every single excuse I've heard for not going is a load of nonsense, if the game was against the mags at 7.45 on a Saturday night at even 40 quid a ticket it would have sold out long ago regardless of time price or any other rubbish.
I'm skint and it costs me £150 that I don't have to bring my lads up from Preston. That a good enough excuse for you? Or shall I sell a kidney just so's you think we're the best fans in the land?
 
It is pretty shit like. Especially when you consider how everyone felt they deserved a ticket to Wembley and you know they will do again if we get to the final.

I know a few people who can’t get there. A few of us are away and a couple others are exiles can’t justify a night away. Hoping that a lot of the no shows are in our position and not just sacking it off.

The purchase history thing has confused things as well I reckon. A few people on Twitter struggling to get tickets. The fact there won’t be any cash turnstiles will hit us too.

That said it’ll probably work in our favour tbf. We choked in front of big crowds so far this season.
A thorough review of safcs tkt office policy is required ASAP. How tkts can be sold without being logged to a purchaser is beyond me. Its what must’ve happened to me and it’s obviously happening hundreds of times. The software shouldn’t be allowed to continue.

I declared on here I didn’t feel entitled to a Wembley tkt as an exile I don’t get to a lot of home games. Just as well as according to safc I’ve no purchase history whatsoever despite having been to oxford away (Charlie n Stewart) before either of em could’ve found Sunderland on a map, being an ex ST holder and safc having on their system my three address changes since the SOL was built the last of which occurring in safcs purchase history period. How do they know I’ve moved if I’ve not bought tkts from them?

Wrong. Entitled.
Wrong. Read it again.
 
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A thorough review of safcs tkt office policy is required ASAP. How tkts can be sold without being logged to a purchaser is beyond me. Its what must’ve happened to me and it’s obviously happening hundreds of times. The software shouldn’t be allowed to continue.


I declared on here I didn’t feel entitled to a Wembley tkt as an exile I don’t get to a lot of home games. Just as well as according to safc I’ve no purchase history whatsoever despite having been to oxford away (Charlie n Stewart) before either of em could’ve found Sunderland on a map, being an ex ST holder and safc having on their system my three address changes since the SOL was built the last of which occurring in safcs purchase history period. How do they know I’ve moved if I’ve not bought tkts from them?


Wrong. Read it again.
And just to expand on that a little bit has their ever been a more entitled start to a post than ‘came fifth in a one horse race’? That says it all and the rest of the post is justifying it.
A thorough review of safcs tkt office policy is required ASAP. How tkts can be sold without being logged to a purchaser is beyond me. Its what must’ve happened to me and it’s obviously happening hundreds of times. The software shouldn’t be allowed to continue.

I declared on here I didn’t feel entitled to a Wembley tkt as an exile I don’t get to a lot of home games. Just as well as according to safc I’ve no purchase history whatsoever despite having been to oxford away (Charlie n Stewart) before either of em could’ve found Sunderland on a map, being an ex ST holder and safc having on their system my three address changes since the SOL was built the last of which occurring in safcs purchase history period. How do they know I’ve moved if I’ve not bought tkts from them?


Wrong. Read it again.
Also, nothing of what you’ve said, entitled or not (and in my opinion it is) justifies withdrawing support. If you’re disappointed with the result against investment then so be it. I can’t agree but support your team.
 
It is pretty shit like. Especially when you consider how everyone felt they deserved a ticket to Wembley and you know they will do again if we get to the final.

I know a few people who can’t get there. A few of us are away and a couple others are exiles can’t justify a night away. Hoping that a lot of the no shows are in our position and not just sacking it off.

The purchase history thing has confused things as well I reckon. A few people on Twitter struggling to get tickets. The fact there won’t be any cash turnstiles will hit us too.

That said it’ll probably work in our favour tbf. We choked in front of big crowds so far this season.

Keep seeing this said but don’t agree. We won in our biggest crowd of the season (Bradford 46k), and in our second biggest crowd of the season (41k against Pompey) we played much better than we generally had been for a while before it and were very unlucky not to win - I reckon we would have had their keeper not had a blinder or us hitting the post once or twice.

Other notable larger than our average crowds were a draw against the league leaders Luton (38k) and a comfortable win against Doncaster (34k) in probably one of our better performances of the season. Plymouth and Walsall at home were both home wins with crowds well over 30k as well (32k and 34k).

We've choked in loads of games but it’s had nowt to do with when a bigger than normal crowd has been there.
 
Also, nothing of what you’ve said, entitled or not (and in my opinion it is) justifies withdrawing support. If you’re disappointed with the result against investment then so be it. I can’t agree but support your team.
I’ve nivver attempted to justify withdrawing support. I’ve replied to the words “entitled” and “ purchase history”.
ANY club with that many built in advantages over the other clubs in its division should be coming out on top if everyone there does their jobs. It’s nowt to do with any fan feelings it’s to do with those inside the club concerned f***ing up. Mebbes those inside the club feel entitled?
 
Plus we do not know what the actual attendance tomorrow will be yet. Lots will pay at the ticket office on the day.

Looks like about 26,500 already sold and I think the walk up will be big. I am still goings for around 31,000 but it really does not matter. What matters is what those of us who are going do.

Get behind the lads. We can still get what we wanted.

If we hit around our average then I will deffo be happy to admit I have fallen into the bed wetter gang for the week. In fact I will admit it if we get 30,000 even though it would still be a disappointing figure for such a big game.
 
And just to expand on that a little bit has their ever been a more entitled start to a post than ‘came fifth in a one horse race’? That says it all and the rest of the post is justifying it.
See that thing ower there? Reet ower there? Aye that! Well that’s the reet end of the stick.
 
Never once criticised our support for their numbers before and yet that's precisely what you're doing.... are you suggesting that we can question the performance of everybody at the club but the fans?
The fans can't be questioned at all, given what they've had to put up with over the past few years and the relative dross they've been served this season. All we ask for is a team that plays with passion and a bit of fight. Just about any one of our players would walk into any team in this league, on paper and yet we've been out thought and out battled by teams like Fleetwood.

Give the fans something to cheer about and a reason to believe in the team. I think a few have given up on this season because the promise of early promise fell away and Ross continued, match in - match out with a captain who didn't know how to lead and an unfit forward we didn't know how to feed.
 
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Give the fans something to cheer about and a reason to believe in the team. I think a few have given up on this season because the promise of early promise fell away and Ross continued, match in - match out with a captain who didn't know how to lead and an unfit forward we didn't know how to feed.

Would have thought the team you support being in a massive game with a trip to Wembley and promotion at stake would be enough? If that cant motivate you I have no idea what would. The game doesnt just define this season but also next season. If as rumoured the investment is coming in this summer then there is a good chance we will be getting some ££££ to improve the squad in the summer but will we be buying to get out of league 1 or buying to make an assault on Premiership promotion? This game is huge.
 
OK I will tell my season card holding mate who booked a holiday to visit a mate of ours in the Pjillipines to cancel his return flight and get an earlier one. Cheers you have been a big help.



We don't have a 'knacker' for a manager. Hope this helps as well.

You voted Brexit though so you are used to directing your angst in totally the wrong direction and cutting off your nose to spite your face.;)

Brexit?

:lol:
 
Jesus wept.

If you want to go, if you don't want to go - or can't - then don't. But don't throw shit around at others.
 
2017-2018

Championship


Fulham average 19,896 Play offs 23,529 percentage +/- +18.4%

Smogs average 25,528 Play offs 29,233 Percentage +/- +14.5%

Villa average 32, 235 Play offs 40,505 Percentage +/- +25.65%

Derby average 27,175 Play offs 27,163 Percentage +/- -0.1%


League 1

Charlton average 11,846 Play offs 14,367 Percentage +/- +21.2%

Shrewsbury average 6,249 Play offs 9,016 Percentage +/- +44.2%

Rotherham average 8514 Play offs 11,061 Percentage +/- +29.9%

Scunthorpe average 4364 Play offs 6591 Percentage +/- +51%



Sunderland average 32,157 Play offs? Percentage +/1 ?


Chucking some figures about then

Attendance tomorrow 28,000 14.8% less than average league gate

Attendance tomorrow 27,000 19.1 % less than average league gate

Attendance tomorrow 26,000 23.6% below average league gate


In short our "fans" failure to support their team in the play off semi finals is unprecedented in the play offs. Virtually every clubs fans support their team in much bigger numbers during the play offs and SAFC, the "best fans in the land" will see a huge percentage drop that is unrivalled for its plasticness in play off history.

And who says we never win owt.
You seem to be revelling in this.
 
Some of those, on here, declaring they're not going probably never go anyway tbh.

But there are some people with understandable reasons for not going imo, not least the fact that the match is, in one way, meaningless. There'll be little sense of excitement, even with a 2/3-0 scoreline, because its only 'half time'.

We also know Portsmouth will attempt to bore everyone to death with their time wasting from the start plus all the diving and cheating ... most of us are sick of the sight of them by now.

If this had been the second leg, against Charlton, there'd have been another 7/8000 there imo.

Whatever the case I can't find a League One crowd, of this size, shameful ...
... let's concentrate on those who are going, not those who aren't.

I doubt the TV commentators will find the size of the crowd embarrassing.

I just don't think this is true at all. You're honestly saying we could be 3-0 up in a play off semi final and there will be 'little sense of excitement'?

It sounds like another one of these 'justification' reasons for people not going.

I have posted elsewhere on this but, to repeat myself, I never thought Sunderland fans would be entitled. People seem to be thinking ‘we should have gone up because we’re Sunderland but we didn’t so I’m not going’. That’s not supporting your team. It’s pathetic. I never thought I’d see Sunderland fans with that attitude and whether they recognise it or admit it that’s exactly what many are doing.

As for those saying it’s not worth going because it’s a first leg, has everyone who ever went to a first leg been wasting their time supporting their team then? Has the support of those that went to first legs when their team won overall not been worth it? That, those of you thinking it, is the most ridiculous, half-hearted and defeatist excuse of all.

Exactly right mate. I can't believe it would make one iota of difference whether it was the first or second leg.

If it was the second leg people would just be making different excuses.
 
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2017-2018

Championship


Fulham average 19,896 Play offs 23,529 percentage +/- +18.4%

Smogs average 25,528 Play offs 29,233 Percentage +/- +14.5%

Villa average 32, 235 Play offs 40,505 Percentage +/- +25.65%

Derby average 27,175 Play offs 27,163 Percentage +/- -0.1%


League 1

Charlton average 11,846 Play offs 14,367 Percentage +/- +21.2%

Shrewsbury average 6,249 Play offs 9,016 Percentage +/- +44.2%

Rotherham average 8514 Play offs 11,061 Percentage +/- +29.9%

Scunthorpe average 4364 Play offs 6591 Percentage +/- +51%



Sunderland average 32,157 Play offs? Percentage +/1 ?


Chucking some figures about then

Attendance tomorrow 28,000 14.8% less than average league gate

Attendance tomorrow 27,000 19.1 % less than average league gate

Attendance tomorrow 26,000 23.6% below average league gate


In short our "fans" failure to support their team in the play off semi finals is unprecedented in the play offs. Virtually every clubs fans support their team in much bigger numbers during the play offs and SAFC, the "best fans in the land" will see a huge percentage drop that is unrivalled for its plasticness in play off history.

And who says we never win owt.
reality being we have be supported above and beyond what the team has dished up - the team deserves @15-20k average
 
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