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No pissing about, no1 from today. Very assured, distribution was tremendous and most of all, he wasn't shy in giving the 'defence' what he thought.

he didn't try to catch a ball, he parries the ball out, he was lucky not to give a goal away today, another day he will get caught out. Pants and Mannone are a safer bet I am afraid.
 
Both those two keepers began playing for us at a lower level though, behind good solid teams. That makes a massive difference.

Given was much more agile and made a career out if it, even though he was lacking in more areas. Sorensen on wasn't half the keeper he was made out to be here, though physically he was different to pickford and he was allowed to settle in at a more comfortable level, after being second choice in Denmark at a lower level than pickford has been standing out at.

God only knows how in one game you have already seen those two were both visably better.

Yes, you are right and if you have read the thread you will see that I have already conceded, several times and before being prompted, he had a tougher debut than either of them.

PLEASE... keep up with me.

I do not think he is 'useless'. I have not claimed that. I said that after 50 minutes of a 'tough' debut he had performed poorly on the level of a young keeper I expect to believe is going to be 'great'.

I do not and have not blamed him for any of the goals, but you must agree that you should be able to see flashes of something that signal a youngster has something about them that might lead to them becoming a 'great' player. It doesn't matter about the opposition...you are looking for those moments when you expect something to be done as standard and they either disappoint or they surprise.

He did not do the latter at any point today.

I am happy to give him several more chances. He certainly did not fail, but that cannot be his best game for us... I think we can agree.
 
Its crazy the way some people go on, fact is he had a decent game and looks like the real deal, I have no doubt he will do ok in football. Why anyone wants to pull him apart after 1 quite tough game against the current best team in the league and cup holders blows my mind.

Yes he did 1 or 2 things a little shaky but he also did 1 or 2 things really well and his passing was pretty much faultless.

He has taken a good first step and given the management team something to think about, also given our other keepers something to think about, one thing is for sure he is too good to be 3rd choice ( this is my view after seeing an u21 England game and todays game and after reading how he got on loan ).

I for one am really happy that a local lad is doing well and hope that when his chances come he takes them and kicks on, its good for us, the Team and AoL, so instead of being all doom and gloom, be happy that for once we seem to have a kid coming through the ranks.
 
Both those two keepers began playing for us at a lower level though, behind good solid teams. That makes a massive difference.

Given was much more agile and made a career out if it, even though he was lacking in more areas. Sorensen on wasn't half the keeper he was made out to be here, though physically he was different to pickford and he was allowed to settle in at a more comfortable level, after being second choice in Denmark at a lower level than pickford has been standing out at.

God only knows how in one game you have already seen those two were both visably better.

Well if you watched them you would have to admit as much.

I have not written Pickford off btw...I have simply pointed out that he has not done anything to show he's an 'amazing' prospect, like people seem hell bent on proclaiming. Given and Sorensen showed elements of class at his age. I am very happy to give him plenty more times to show his quality, but you cannot possibly say he showed it today. First 50 mins he was poor. I am happy to put that down to nerves. Last 40 mins he was 'decent' no more.

This is not an outrageous standpoint.

It is far more outrageous to declare him a star without any evidence.

Its crazy the way some people go on, fact is he had a decent game and looks like the real deal, I have no doubt he will do ok in football. Why anyone wants to pull him apart after 1 quite tough game against the current best team in the league and cup holders blows my mind.

Yes he did 1 or 2 things a little shaky but he also did 1 or 2 things really well and his passing was pretty much faultless.

He has taken a good first step and given the management team something to think about, also given our other keepers something to think about, one thing is for sure he is too good to be 3rd choice ( this is my view after seeing an u21 England game and todays game and after reading how he got on loan ).

I for one am really happy that a local lad is doing well and hope that when his chances come he takes them and kicks on, its good for us, the Team and AoL, so instead of being all doom and gloom, be happy that for once we seem to have a kid coming through the ranks.

Absurd. You are making an argument with yourself here. I don't think anyone on this thread is saying he's rubbish or shouldn't be given more games.
 
Its crazy the way some people go on, fact is he had a decent game and looks like the real deal, I have no doubt he will do ok in football. Why anyone wants to pull him apart after 1 quite tough game against the current best team in the league and cup holders blows my mind.

Yes he did 1 or 2 things a little shaky but he also did 1 or 2 things really well and his passing was pretty much faultless.

He has taken a good first step and given the management team something to think about, also given our other keepers something to think about, one thing is for sure he is too good to be 3rd choice ( this is my view after seeing an u21 England game and todays game and after reading how he got on loan ).

I for one am really happy that a local lad is doing well and hope that when his chances come he takes them and kicks on, its good for us, the Team and AoL, so instead of being all doom and gloom, be happy that for once we seem to have a kid coming through the ranks.

his position and agility is good, his handling isn't. He doesn't look like he can come and take a cross either.
 
Well if you watched them you would have to admit as much.

I have not written Pickford off btw...I have simply pointed out that he has not done anything to show he's an 'amazing' prospect, like people seem hell bent on proclaiming. Given and Sorensen showed elements of class at his age. I am very happy to give him plenty more times to show his quality, but you cannot possibly say he showed it today. First 50 mins he was poor. I am happy to put that down to nerves. Last 40 mins he was 'decent' no more.

This is not an outrageous standpoint.

It is far more outrageous to declare him a star without any evidence.



Absurd. You are making an argument with yourself here. I don't think anyone on this thread is saying he's rubbish or shouldn't be given more games.

you pulled him apart after 1 half a game, then back tracked. you then bring up that this keeper or that keeper did better.
 
Make Ya mind up will ya.. Is he very poor or did he do alright?

He seemed canny enough considering who we were playing and the state of our defence.. Looked better than our other 2 options to me.

How can you say he is not a good prospect after 1 game against a top pl team?

The given comparison is pointless.

If you can actually read the thread and pay attention to what is written and when then you will see that I have not passed judgement on him. I said he was playing poorly up up to the 50 minute stage. I believe and stand by that.

I have also said that the last 40 mins he played well.

I have stated my final position as an overall judgement of the game, once it has ended as being that he had a decent game. Not great and amazing, but not bad either. Why some people cannot read the entire thread or the post time is beyond me.

I cannot compensate for their idiocy in this thread. Apologies.
 
He's been less than average today. Most of his saves have been straight at him. Parried and punched too much. Been saved on the goal line behind him having missed two routine saves.

He's done alright for a youngster. Tough game to debut, poor defending for his conceded goals but he's not nearly as good as we hoped.
Gr8 b8 m8.

Bet a few people even bite!
 
Well if you watched them you would have to admit as much.

I have not written Pickford off btw...I have simply pointed out that he has not done anything to show he's an 'amazing' prospect, like people seem hell bent on proclaiming. Given and Sorensen showed elements of class at his age. I am very happy to give him plenty more times to show his quality, but you cannot possibly say he showed it today. First 50 mins he was poor. I am happy to put that down to nerves. Last 40 mins he was 'decent' no more.

This is not an outrageous standpoint.

It is far more outrageous to declare him a star without any evidence.



Absurd. You are making an argument with yourself here. I don't think anyone on this thread is saying he's rubbish or shouldn't be given more games.
Preston fans who have watched him play much more than 1 game have said he'll play for England, outstanding prospect, this is why people are excited. You have made an assessment on him after 35 minutes that hes not gonna be top class, you've done exactly the same as the Preston fans and some fans on here but just took the opposite view.
 
you pulled him apart after 1 half a game, then back tracked. you then bring up that this keeper or that keeper did better.


No I did not.

I said he had played poorly for the first 50 minutes, which he provably... and it is provably, did do. He the played well for the last 40 minutes (I believe that is also provable) and at the end of the game I posted that as well.

a post that someone is not doing well during a game whilst they are not doing well does not amount to a 'decision' or 'judgement' on that player in entirety. It would only be idiots like you who would make that kind of judgement, so please don't accuse me of it. Otherwise anyone who says 'shyte pass' of any of our players in the first 10 minutes of a match is clearly making a substantial overall judgement of that player...aren't they?

Of course not... so why are you being so stupid as to put that on me?
 
Yes, you are right and if you have read the thread you will see that I have already conceded, several times and before being prompted, he had a tougher debut than either of them.

PLEASE... keep up with me.

I do not think he is 'useless'. I have not claimed that. I said that after 50 minutes of a 'tough' debut he had performed poorly on the level of a young keeper I expect to believe is going to be 'great'.

I do not and have not blamed him for any of the goals, but you must agree that you should be able to see flashes of something that signal a youngster has something about them that might lead to them becoming a 'great' player. It doesn't matter about the opposition...you are looking for those moments when you expect something to be done as standard and they either disappoint or they surprise.

He did not do the latter at any point today.

I am happy to give him several more chances. He certainly did not fail, but that cannot be his best game for us... I think we can agree.

Never said you did say he was useless tbf. Please 'keep up' with me.....

Still don't agree. I have no idea of the level he'll climb to and I've got to admit I've not been impressed before on the few occasions I've seen him.

However you're expecting him to make an impression today and judging him against those keepers in one game I'm afraid opposition does play a part, as doea the defence hea playing behind certainly today. As playing against that team and their ability to play around us into the box is what caused the goals from point blank range. Dobut you'll see too much of that pinpoint accuracy in the championship.

On three occasions Arsenal virtually passed the ball into the net. Realistically from those distances and how they scored what could he have done to impress you and stand out? Sorensen actually had a shaky start, especially with decision making. Givens first game was Leicester at home when we'd not been conceding anyway. Givens standout moments were tipping over the bar from long rang efforts with a couple of acrobatics - that's the only way given impressed in his first game, nothing else. So on the same basis it's absoluty nonsense to be judging pickford against their starts at their level if we're not giving him the same opportunity to stand out.

Sorry like but you can't judge pickford on today and today's efforts alone against given and sorensen.
 
Preston fans who have watched him play much more than 1 game have said he'll play for England, outstanding prospect, this is why people are excited. You have made an assessment on him after 35 minutes that hes not gonna be top class, you've done exactly the same as the Preston fans and some fans on here but just took the opposite view.

dear god...you f***ing idiot. read post 171 so I don't have to explain it again.

You have made a judgement and not about Pickford. I have made no such judgement you claim and that is your error.

Apologies for your jumping to 'outraged' conclusions I never made will of course be accepted.
 
No I did not.

I said he had played poorly for the first 50 minutes, which he provably... and it is provably, did do. He the played well for the last 40 minutes (I believe that is also provable) and at the end of the game I posted that as well.

a post that someone is not doing well during a game whilst they are not doing well does not amount to a 'decision' or 'judgement' on that player in entirety. It would only be idiots like you who would make that kind of judgement, so please don't accuse me of it. Otherwise anyone who says 'shyte pass' of any of our players in the first 10 minutes of a match is clearly making a substantial overall judgement of that player...aren't they?

Of course not... so why are you being so stupid as to put that on me?

Why because you know nothing about goalkeeping and are talking a pile of rubbish, you have changed your tune as this thread has gone one and I don't think for one moment he was "poor" in the first half.

I am pretty sure this is just to get people to bite.
 
Well if you watched them you would have to admit as much.

I have not written Pickford off btw...I have simply pointed out that he has not done anything to show he's an 'amazing' prospect, like people seem hell bent on proclaiming. Given and Sorensen showed elements of class at his age. I am very happy to give him plenty more times to show his quality, but you cannot possibly say he showed it today. First 50 mins he was poor. I am happy to put that down to nerves. Last 40 mins he was 'decent' no more.

This is not an outrageous standpoint.

It is far more outrageous to declare him a star without any evidence. games.

Have to admit as much, what?

First games Sorensen was clearly big, decent shotstopper but he was playing in the best team in the division and barely tested. His decision making was ropey as fuck early on.

Given was one of the most agile keepers I've ever seen, at a time and a level when no one really cared about handling or plucking crosses out. As I said in his first game he stood out by making long distances saves - that's all you could have seen. So why when not given the same opportunity to do so are you knocking Pickford? It's absolutely insane.

You're claiming he's done nothing to show he's an outstanding prospect after one game against Arsenal ffs. Are you drunk or on drugs?
 
dear god...you f***ing idiot. read post 171 so I don't have to explain it again.

You have made a judgement and not about Pickford. I have made no such judgement you claim and that is your error.

Apologies for your jumping to 'outraged' conclusions I never made will of course be accepted.
I suggest you go read the post where you said he wasnt a great prospect 'you f***ing idiot'.
 
Never said you did say he was useless tbf. Please 'keep up' with me.....

Still don't agree. I have no idea of the level he'll climb to and I've got to admit I've not been impressed before on the few occasions I've seen him.

However you're expecting him to make an impression today and judging him against those keepers in one game I'm afraid opposition does play a part, as doea the defence hea playing behind certainly today. As playing against that team and their ability to play around us into the box is what caused the goals from point blank range. Dobut you'll see too much of that pinpoint accuracy in the championship.

On three occasions Arsenal virtually passed the ball into the net. Realistically from those distances and how they scored what could he have done to impress you and stand out? Sorensen actually had a shaky start, especially with decision making. Givens first game was Leicester at home when we'd not been conceding anyway. Givens standout moments were tipping over the bar from long rang efforts with a couple of acrobatics - that's the only way given impressed in his first game, nothing else. So on the same basis it's absoluty nonsense to be judging pickford against their starts at their level if we're not giving him the same opportunity to stand out.

Sorry like but you can't judge pickford on today and today's efforts alone against given and sorensen.

Yes you did. You claimed I 'pulled him apart then backtracked'. No I did not do either.

Haven't denied this...in fact in prior threads I have expressly taken account of this and it is not a complaint of mine if you read my posts.

Like I have repeatedly posted...this is not a complaint. I do not blame him for any of the goals. He had a tougher debut against a much better side behind a poor defence. None of that is in dispute. However I have repeatedly said that he parried too much first half when you should expect a gather. All his saves were 'routine', 'at him' stuff. Nowt special. signifies him as good/competent. All positive at a young age. However, there were two occasions where he was beaten on goal quite simply when you would expect better from a player touted as better than Given and Sorenson at their age. On both occasions he was beaten easily and the ball was cleared off the line by a defender. Poor...by any standard when you watch it. This does not mean he is rubbish. It just means he had played poorly up to that point. Provably so and its ok to say that....It doesn't mean he is rubbish, but you can make it you Twitter outrage this week if you like.

Have to admit as much, what?

First games Sorensen was clearly big, decent shotstopper but he was playing in the best team in the division and barely tested. His decision making was ropey as fuck early on.

Given was one of the most agile keepers I've ever seen, at a time and a level when no one really cared about handling or plucking crosses out. As I said in his first game he stood out by making long distances saves - that's all you could have seen. So why when not given the same opportunity to do so are you knocking Pickford? It's absolutely insane.

You're claiming he's done nothing to show he's an outstanding prospect after one game against Arsenal ffs. Are you drunk or on drugs?

Well what has he done to show he is outstanding in that one game. Surely it's not up to me to disprove he is outstanding....that kind of lark has to be proved and yes...tough game, poor defence, can't blame him for the goals, but he was not 'outstanding'.

It isn't knocking him or factually wrong to say that so what is your problem?
 
Holy fuck people on here need to calm down like, he's a young lad who made his debut and looked decent in front of a piss poor defence, leave it at that hes only had 1 game for fuck sake.
 
What are you basing this on, his debut for us?

I saw a lot more positives than negatives today with the lad, its a big step up and I think he did himself proud.

I think a ball hung up in the air against a forward like Andy Carroll or even Fletcher he would get flattened, whereas Pants or even Mannone physically it won't be as easy. He needs to fill out
 
I suggest you go read the post where you said he wasnt a great prospect 'you f***ing idiot'.

Err...I suggest you actually think before posting.

He has to prove he is a great prospect. He is not a great prospect by default, until people offer evidence that he is rubbish. It doesn't work that way.

Today he did not prove he was a great prospect (note that this is not the same as saying he is rubbish). That is a correct assessment unless you would like to offer evidence that he did prove he was.

Glad to help you with your English comprehension you f***ing idiot


Holy fuck people on here need to calm down like, he's a young lad who made his debut and looked decent in front of a piss poor defence, leave it at that hes only had 1 game for fuck sake.

I'm pretty sure nobody has said anything that would oppose this view...what is your problem?
 
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